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[COMPLETED - ARMOR CONCEPT] Bloodworm Helm

EDIT - FINAL DESIGN


 

 

So the task was to design the Bloodworm Helmet, I looked into something really organic. The original design is very heavy and built with a single piece, and i tried to have something with different parts, with for inspirations stuffs like the facehugger and some creepy insects.

I first did some shapes, trying closed and opens helmets

The most closed helmet gave this organic/invading look i was trying to get, so i rendered some.

 

Edited by: Cesare on 05/22/2016 - 15:06
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I think you should keep in

I think you should keep in mind that the helmet its-self is made from troll bone, having the design akin to something more insect-like seems very pointless. What's the point of having it made from troll bone in the lore, if it is not clearly shown in the actual design? Remember that just because it's in morrowind does not mean it HAS to look completely alien/Foreign.  I would suggest going for something perhaps slightly more Nordic, which would mirror the original very well, or perhaps something elvish (High elvish) as the creator of the helmet was mannimarco.   

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Quote: think you should keep

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 think you should keep in mind that the helmet its-self is made from troll bone, having the design akin to something more insect-like seems very pointless.


Not anymore. It's now made of bloodworm.
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Nexos wrote:

Nexos wrote:

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 think you should keep in mind that the helmet its-self is made from troll bone, having the design akin to something more insect-like seems very pointless.


Not anymore. It's now made of bloodworm.

 

*Head explodes* 

 

In all seriousness though, wah?

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This looks really cool, great

This looks really cool, great! The render is great, I´ld vote for the last, brown colors. Only thing I would change is the chin part of the helm, it reminds me to the mascs from Mortal Kombat (Scorpion, Sub Zero). Perhaps you can defamiliarize it by adding some stings or structure on the chin, like the horn of a stag bettle or sth...

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I really like your reference,

I really like your reference, and while I like where you're going, your concept almost feels too reasonable. I think you can go crazier, scarier. :)

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While the concept art is good

While the concept art is good, the bloodworm helm is basically nothing more than a troll skull so I dont really know about this

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This is a unique item, linked

This is a unique item, linked to an important new quest. It needs a unique design.

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Cesare wrote:

Cesare wrote:

This is a unique item, linked to an important new quest. It needs a unique design.

 

A unique design that still looks similar to the original, Like I said the weird H.R Giger design just looks really out of place.

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It doesn't need to be a troll

It doesn't need to be a troll skull. This was mannimarco's helmet. He's too much of a classy badass to wear a troll skull anyway. I'm all for a redesign - though I'm still not a fan of the current design ideas.

Old designs aren't always good - nostalgia be damned :P

Case in point:

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Smitehammer wrote:

Smitehammer wrote:

It doesn't need to be a troll skull. This was mannimarco's helmet. He's too much of a classy badass to wear a troll skull anyway. I'm all for a redesign - though I'm still not a fan of the current design ideas.

Old designs aren't always good - nostalgia be damned :P

Case in point:

 

I agree that we shouldn't just use the same design as the original (Btw thats the oblivion version) But we should atleast keep to the lore, which says that it is made from troll bone. Maybe taking some design aspects from the actual troll bone helmet made for skywind might do: https://tesrenewal.com/files/trollhelm4.jpg

I think going in the direction of a more ghastly appearance would work much better, as mannimarco's artifacts usually tend to: http://www.uesp.net/w/images/thumb/b/bc/OB-item-Staff_of_Wor...

 Also, We have to take into account that mannimarco isn't a dunmer, so any dark elf designs should be out the door.

Some references:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c5/92/7a/c5927a059...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6d/00/e3/6d00e3702...

http://assets.inhabitots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cass...

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f10/3442...

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Mannimarco is said to have

Mannimarco is said to have acid flowing through his veins.  Perhaps his helm could reflect that by being melted and caustic looking.  It could be made out of a troll skull, but the skull could be pitted and deformed.

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I'm agreed with darkslayer

I'm agreed with darkslayer here - the current design is fancy but reminds me too much of a motorcycle crash helmet and I think something more morbid would look cooler.

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My attempt at something more

My attempt at something more "creepy yet classy".

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That's very cool indeed, and

That's very cool indeed, and I like how it works in the original face-hugger feeling. Reminds me a lot of Jackson's depiction of the Mouth of Sauron in The Return of the King:

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Looks awesome nexos! Not too

Looks awesome nexos! Not too sci-fi and not too far from the original!

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Dude, as both both the staff

Dude, as both both the staff of worms and the blood worm helm are made by Manimarco perhaps the person making the staff of worms should consulted for ideas so that some unity may be had in the motifs. im sure Manimarcos tastes would change through the centuries however he is still the same person. just an idea, i love nexos's design i just think that adding a bit of variance to the color pallet really makes it pop. So i made a small color edit to show this, i went with bleached bone and gold for the colors, after all this is a high elf we are talking about they love gold.

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Too be honest the yellow

Too be honest the yellow really detracts from the design, not really adding much too it. And besides, why does every mannimarco creation have to use the same motif. In the lore it is said that he only really just enchanted the helmet, which leads me to an interesting idea. 

In a book or some dialogue or something it could mention that mannimarco enchanted a regular helmet, but due to his shear dark power (Or something) it became warped/distorted, thus creating the bloodworm helmet seen above. Idk food for thought..

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I love the new design, and I

I love the new design, and I think that the spikes rising in the back seem to befit the kingly aesthetic ascribed to mannimarco. The only thing I might suggest is to add little runes or design on the front that at the very least suggests the resemblance of a eyes/face similar to those on the cultist mask from the dragonborn expansion.

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One thing: would be nice (at

One thing: would be nice (at least for author) to imagine this creature alive.
Helmets do not grow on trees, and this things don't looks as artificial.

1. I think Nexos' design is superior to Troll skull and to design of the Dude (but that's cool too).
2. Would be better to turn it's extremities into functional arthropod legs (and helm itself would be a thorax then).

3. This creature can be same as depicted on Redoran house' flags.
4. Bone coloration is used in Morrowind pretty everywhere. Maybe some dark chitine would be better.
5. Like that (5a - pic) or:
       5b: legs could be arranged in one sheaf/horse tail
       5c: cutted, leaving holes for hearing/breathe.
       5d: posed as crown (as on original Nexos' pic, but with real legs)


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Would that really be

Would that really be necessary though? Why would it need to be made out of some sort of insect? I think we should just leave nexo's design as it is, besides adding the runes mentioned above. It's a pretty nice re-creation of the original helmet, still looking very boney (Heh) as well as morbid and depraved. It just looks cool, and in my opinion adding insect components would just ruin it.

Also. Mannimarco isn't a dunmer, and probably wouldn't be too interested in dunmer design either, so having it resemble the redoran flag logically wouldn't make a huge amount of sense.

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Both designs are based on

Both designs are based on living creature parts.
That would be nice to add more artificially made parts, though.

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attempt at another palet, and

attempt at another palet, and some other design leads mixing stuffs

 

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I really like number 2 here

I really like number 2 here

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Hmm, I'm really not sure

Hmm, I'm really not sure about the re-paint, kinda takes alot of the morbid sense out of it, looks less skeletal now.. 

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Yeah only one suggestion

Yeah only one suggestion

Making some holes for eyes and nose. I know this is fantasy world but as much we keep more or less realistic approach to design it would be nice to keep it. Also our project is volunteer so in some future sb could do some mod like that (limited vision due to helmet) So it will nice nice to avoid future problems. IMHO I prefer upper example. But third one of yours could be nice too.

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