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[NOT RELEVANT - ARMOR CONCEPT] Eleidon's Ward

References and lore for Eleidon's Ward.

Eleidon's Ward is made in Morrowind, but there are version in Oblivion and Skyrim. M and O version are very similar, but skyrim version is different.

O a M version of the shield are made from white metal with pink crystals. I see two version, first is heart shape crystal in the middle. Second is bird head with wings.

Skyrim shield is more organic, it looks like veins in body.

Both versions are conected with heart, healing (shield power is healing his owner)

Edited by: Cesare on 09/26/2016 - 14:43
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You might want to add some

You might want to add some text...

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I definitely like the idea of

I definitely like the idea of somehow incorporating the Restore Health symbol into the design. I also think the original silhouette of the shield is the best one for this particular model. And if you ask me, the Morrowind and Oblivion designs are superior to the Skyrim one.

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really good shapes! I go with

really good shapes! I go with the 7th sketch in your last picture, very cool. But I wouldn´t use strong red and scary pink in the shield, remembers to much of modern medizine symbolics imo. Skywind has a dense realistic and dirty look. The original light blue could be a better choice...

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Skyrim design is fine too.

Skyrim design is fine too.
You can use veiny texture on lower part of this shield to make it's form more interesting.
Using of health symbol is nice idea.

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You guys do know that it wasn

You guys do know that it wasn't in oblivion or skyrim right? Those are just mods, its only appearance is in morrowind.

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Yes, but this shield dont

Yes, but this shield dont have very much references, so everything is handy. But my main inspiration is shield from Morrowind.

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I make new sketches. I try

I make new sketches. I try use symbol on the front of the shield and at the back. 

At my first sketches there was some shield with jawelrylike part, but after some thinking I abond it, its to fragile for the shield.

Right now I was focusing on the top part of the shield

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Personally I don't like its

Personally I don't like its appearence at all. (M, O & S mods) IMHO red stones resembling "meat" x) better be removed or recolored to 'less aggressive' option.

Red "tree" (thin lines), connection with idea of "blood lines", viennas... brrr... starting to think about vampires. Not "holy health restoration".

 

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You may want to go for

You may want to go for something more simple, lose a few of the big gems. The overall shape is not bad at all, but going for one main idea (veins, a heart, whatever else) and dropping the rest, at least in the early works, could be a solution. 

Zyryanoff, the veins are white, in the concept. 

Good luck :)

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That Skyrim version of

That Skyrim version of Eleidon's Ward... Where'd it come from...?

EDIT: I meant, what Skyrim mod is that version of Eleidon's Ward from? It looks great and I haven't been able to find it in my searching.

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Officially, the shield has

Officially, the shield has only appeared in Morrowind. Those are mods. Also, it was given to a Breton by a Breton right? Can you somehow integrate Celtic/French symbolism on it? Or would that stray too much from the "uniqueness to Nirn" every race has?

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The Lag Conspiracy wrote

The Lag Conspiracy wrote:

French symbolism 


OUI !


 
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Add a cockrel and some cheese

Add a cockrel and some cheese and you're done ! Always funny to see foreigners' clichés x)

More seriously, bretons have some french inspiration ? Anyway, there's nothing that comes to my mind in french symbolism that could fit there.

I like where you're going with the 3a, because on the others, the twisted forms look like brambles to me. Keep in mind that veins divide into smaller ones, tree-like, in your sketches, they divide into same-size ones, which is imposible for physical reasons.

Either way, they look really good and the "holy-knight feeling" is definitely there.

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I was going to add some

I was going to add some pictures, as examples, and I was honestly contemplating putting the Eiffel Tower in them.

Yes, real life Bretons are a Celtic nation living in France. In Arena and Daggerfall they didn't have anything French about them. They were more like English people with Celtic names, but starting from Morrowind they had both French and Celtic names. It's really sort of difficult to determine where they most directly take inspiration from, but I guess they're meant to be a Western Europe medieval arch-type(Romance, Celtic, Anglo-Saxon).

Jokes aside, this is what I meant:-

National emblem of France


Fleur de Lis, of the French royalty. Common on French banners before the French revolution

Gallic Rooster on the flag of Wallonia


Celtic symbols, you'll probably remember a lot of these from Skyrim


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XD

XD

Jokes aside, really? (by the way, that is not the national emblem of France).

To come back to snapi's designs: I think your "veiny" stuff is too geometrical. It needs to be a bit more chaotic imo. I like the idea of having the restore health symbol incorporated in some way. :)

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You have to remember Casare

You have to remember Casare that this shield is of Breton origins, so the design should be very Geometrical/fancy. 

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Yes, really.

Yes, really.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_emblem_of_France, it is, but somewhat unofficially so.

But, I'll be damned if the resemblance isn't uncanny:-

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I really like the patterns

I really like the patterns and coloring of 1c and 2b.

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This shield reminds me the

This shield reminds me the bug Capnodis

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Capnodis_tenebrionis

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I'm just a humble lurker, but

I'm just a humble lurker, but I'm burning to clarify something. Bretons, the real people that were the inspiration for the Tamrielic racers the same name, are in no way the same as the French. Brittany, the peninsula in NW France, has its name because Celtic Bretons emigrated there after they were pushed out of their homeland by invading Saxons - yes, you guessed it, Bretons are from Britain. In the second half of the first century AD, residents of modern England were Britanni​ living in the Roman province of Britannia.

Brittany has a unique culture, distinct from the rest of France, with their own dialect, cuisine, and musical traditions, and was even independent until 1528 (and even then was effectively self-governing until the French Revolution in 1789). The likely descendants of Bretons in Britain itself are likely most present in the West Country, Devon and Cornwall, which also has a very distinct culture from the rest of Britain; as well as in placenames all over England.

It is these English places particularly, as well as Brittany, that are the ground of inspiration for Tamrielic Bretons. No Eiffel Towers, sorry.

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A lot of the names are

A lot of the names are Frenchy. High Rock is supposed to be about the size of Europe, with as many petty kingdoms constantly warring until united under Imperial rule. Though there aren't many found in Morrowind, they're probably the most culturally diverse group of people in Tamriel. Basically, as far as the voice acting is concerned, Celtic, lower-class British, Belgian and French are the predominant accents.

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I never said the Bretons in

I never said the Bretons in TES or the ones in real life were the same as the French. What i said was they were mainly based off the highly French-influenced Celtic nation of Brittany. The ones in Tamriel have both Celtic and French names.The Reachmen are the most Celtic influenced of the Breton sub-groups(in their culture, and by being exclusively Celtic in name) and are sometimes not even counted as Bretons as a result. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving them French influence, as the Tamrielic Bretons are not bound to real life Bretons(who are also, despite the denial of cultural conservationists, highly influenced by French culture).

This is just like how the Nords are not quite Vikings and Scandinavians in culture. Every once in a while someone describes a something Nordic in any media in any way, be it art style, writing or even accent, and another person will come along and say "that's not Viking enough". They are quickly met with a swift reply stating that Nords are not the generic Scandinavian culture they might have been in the first game.

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Hadvar is the only character to ever appear in an Elder Scrolls game with the closest thing to a French accent, and he's a Nord. Bretons always had high class English accents until Skyrim, when Bethesda branched out and gave some of them low class and even New England accents(e.g. Fianna)

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