FOREWORD: I received attacks since I post this. I have no idea what the hell is going on, but it seems that Bethesda send me some virtual bullies. You will not make me shut up Bethesda. After thinking a lot about Morroblivion and Bethesda and Galadrielle I came to the conclussion that something smells fishy in here. What I'm talking about? Think about it, a modding God arises from France, Bethesda takes this so called "legal actions" on this person and for no aparent reasons; sudenly the whole proyect gets banned from the Official Forums and the Un-Official Forums as well! Galadrielle and Bethesda walks away in the shadows and in silence... Something is going on in here! My toughts are; is there a chance that Galadrielle had some unknow connection with Bethesda Softworks? It is possible that a guy came out of nowhere and simply makes the best mod of all times, and he gets banned FOR NO ACTUAL REASONS, FROM ALL THE OFFICIAL AND UNOFFICIAL FORUMS. Even so... if he uses some of the Meshes or Textures, because this seems to be the argument, that Galadirelle took some of the Textures and Models and upload them with the ESP Converter. Then again, HAS ANYBODY SEEN THOSE CUSTOM CLOTHES MODS WICH USES THE ORIGINAL MESHES FROM THE GAME, IS THAT A COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT TOO? The other thing is what you heard all the time in some Forums "well, one thing is to use a model from an old game and then put it on a new one"... that is some peoples argument to defend Bethesda, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me... at all. One word, Bethesda is hiding something in here, and this I don't like... as long as modders don't make a profit out of a mod, even if they use o' so called "copyrighted material" A modder shouldn't be banned like that and for NO ACTUAL REASONS. This is one big attemp to keep modders doin' dumb house mods and dumb mods in general. I'm not fucking stupid, this is all a setup from Bethesda, something smells really bad in here and aint my shoes. So it's up to you to decide to see that something weird is going on, I'm just trying to use logic. And if Bethesda didn't setup "a plan to destroy Morroblivion"; why they did it? I don't believe that thing about the Meshes or Textures, besides... Why Bethesda didn't take the time to contact Galadrielle and say to him : Look you can't use this materials, so you have two options take away your mod from our forums or simple; take those files off. Bethesda can afford to make interviews with so called "great modders" but they cannot contact Galadrielle to ask him about those files? A whole proyect basically destroyed for " a few meshes " that... doesn't makes sense at all... and of course it has no Legal grounds,this is why Bethesda didn't sue him. Seeya, I'm waiting for the truth.
Last edited by thermador on 9 Mar 2011 - 14:01.
So... Bethesda takes this
So... Bethesda takes this drastic measure to delete all Morroblivion related Topics on their and other un-official forums. Put yourself in Galadrielle's shoes, you are a modder working a lot on this mod, converter, whatever; if Bethesda contact you about something you will just say "Fuck you Bethesda I'm not taking shit from you" or "Ok, no problem I'll take those Meshes/Textures out of the proyect"
We're humans, we can talk, we can communicate to others what we think is the right thing to do, they spent A GREAT DEAL OF TIME making those interviews with modders, and they can't contact Galadrielle to simply talk about this copyright infringement? It doesn't sound polite isn't it? Yeah sure, conspiracy, just next to hypocresy.
Don't worry I know what I'm talking about and I also know that something is not right and no one cares about it, but guess what? We are in www.morroblivion.com and no one has ever post anything about this. Besides, I'm a moddder myself and if Bethesda ask me about some Meshes I will say "Ok no problem I'll take those off right away" problem solved.
This is not the case, so what happened? When people act like this, in the shadows, taking drastic measures and attacking the image of someone... kinda makes me wonder what are they up to?
Seeya.
If Galadrielle registrated
If Galadrielle registrated the product maybe they were thinking he or she was going to sell it when finished and the money whold go to Galadrielle.
If finished Morroblivion whold have been a must have for all PC players and they don't like having their textures and modells on sell by somebody else.
at least that's my opinion
This is why... Bethesda
This is why... Bethesda pisses me off so much. :D
So, you're saying that they
maddog_latrauIf Galadrielle registrated the product maybe they were thinking he or she was going to sell it when finished and the money whold go to Galadrielle. If finished Morroblivion whold have been a must have for all PC players and they don't like having their textures and modells on sell by somebody else. at least that's my opinion maddog_latrauSo, you're saying that they make all this effort to make Galadrielle and Morroblivion, look like the blasphemers of Games, just because "THEY THINK" that Galadrielle was going to register his own mod in order to make money? This theory doesn't violate common sense? Like, I go to the Police and say "THERE'S A MAN ACROSS THE STREET OF MY HOUSE, AND I THINK HE'S ABOUT TO BREAK IN AND STEAL ALL MY STUFF" Where's the crime in there? Nowhere. There's no crime this is why Bethesda CANNOT SUE HIM. And will never do that, because they had conviced people that Morroblivion is the one to blame, but guess what? I don't believe that. The real crime is against you and everyone's else choice to make a real mod, and not some dumb mod for a 5 year old. Keep doin' stupid mods, and keep doin' stupid games, this is what is going on in Bethesda Softworks. Challenge in Games? Not anymore people, so... read a book. PD: See for yourself, I finished F3 with all it's expansions in 4 days. No kidding. Seeya.
its true , but if ppl like
its true , but if ppl like us keep doing this stuff bethesda cant block us all :S , its true that is rare this situation but its past now , i think
Bethesda stopped caring with
Bethesda stopped caring with the whole TES franchise. instead they made Fallout 3... Sales in the skies of F3, but a REAL Fallout fan knows: the real feeling of fallout has faded away, with F2 and F3 is nice and fine but lost something that I cant describe...
And now comes Galadriel, and does a thing that was never ever seen, and Bethesda wakes up... What is with these guys? Come on Bethesda, put something on the table, like that Galadriel put, and ppl gonna get into the shop and pay that fucking some dollars that you feel in danger goddamnit, instead of fucking with this guy with so called copyright problems... think it over...
Besides there's too much
Besides there's too much Illuminati symbology on TES Games, no joke, Nine Divines, Dagon, Uriel, Moon and Star, The Mythic Dawn, the banner of the Mages Guild, etc.. Too many things have been manipulated in order to create the quest of TES.
Coincidence? Yeah right. I would like to give specific details, but Bethesda is going to ask the webmaster of this site, to delete my post. Don't forget Bethesda is a coorporation after all, and a very powerful one.
Seeya.
Bethesda probably saw that
Bethesda probably saw that people would very probably end up making entire games this way. I mean morroblivion is an incredible feat for one guy to have made. Imagine if others on a forum started catching on and all working toegether on a game. Before you know it the players are making their own game and no space for Bethesda to make theirs anymore.
my theory
I dunno; lots of different theories are out and about on this. I wanna support the mod and all but I look at it like this. If sony can sue the Crimson Red Chrono trigger hacking team for changing everything in the game from sprites to story, then Bethesda could get prissy about a simple mod that violates no copy right infringement, no form of theft or anything of the such.
Going off about textures being used is pointless. Take a look at Planet elder scrolls
There are lots of mods for oblivion that recycle Morrowind Meshes.
Thing is though; whats going to far? I'm willing to bet somewhere out in the world someone has done the exact opposite of Morroblivion and made Obliviowind(lol just a name off the top of my head.) or some shit like that.
Its impossible to tell why their really so made, my wager is honestly that they just don't want to have it ported like that, but Bethesda doesn't realize that a lot of fans love morrowind more then oblivion. Oblivion had great graphics and all. But morrowind was an adventure. Oblivion kinda holds your hand through it all. In morrowind if you couldn't do the job then thats tough shit; go learn and get stronger, come back then. Not that leveled system Oblivion has.
I mean hell, if I was skilled in CS I'd make Daggerfell-Oblivion or The elder scrolls: Arena-Oblivion. yeah, that'd piss bethesda off lol
Well whatever their reasons
Well whatever their reasons maybe they don't seem to have a problem with OpenMW Hopefully Bethesda will let this be released before they bring about a new world :P
They say: "If you don't now
They say: "If you don't now what's about it's about money". I'm pretty sure Bethesda try to forget this project because they affraid. Someone, like Galadrielle, may create a traspassing bethween old and new part of Elderscrolls, and they simply scare they lost money on this business. Pff...
What have they done?? It's a gold mine here, doh!! If they create a possibility of playing an old parts (all) in newest part of TES - people would be kill each other to get this stuff - even for money!! HA!
You have no idea what kind
You have no idea what kind of symbology bethesda has been using since the first Elder Scrolls, Moon and Star? What the hell you talk about the moon and star? It comes from the ancient druid and muslim belief system and you have no idea what it means.
Dagon? What that means anyway? Is the ancient Fish God of the Old World, the Pope itself uses a Fish Hat... is in all their games, Dagon here, Dagon there. This is all ancient symbology, it's related to Masonery, and it's different clans. But guess what? You don't know it, and you are not suppose to know it, they don't make mistakes, the only mistake they made is that I'm posting this information here.
But you need to do some research before posting comments, this is not about money, this is about power. Bethesda is a Zenimax Media Company. Zeni-Max? Is that related to the Zenith by any chance? To be above, the celestial movement?
Something smells fishy? You damn right, and you have no idea, why? Because you are entertained and that is what's important.
Seek the truth, it will set you free.
Oh... my.... buddah! O_o
Oh... my.... buddah! O_o *cough*............. Wow
One of the real resons
The reason they got pissy at him for the mod was because they figured that if someone could do this then they could dev other areas that they are going to use in future tes like they could make there own black marsh and shit. That was one of the real reasons they did it to save there ideas for future TES games and so they made an example of him. Its a common gaming industry thing when people think out side the box with games that they can mod them selves that's why most games don't do the whole construction set idea cuase of this reason.
Some answers from top
Some answers from top researcher Jordan Maxwell:
Seek the truth, it will set you free.
OH FOR FUCK SAKE mand!!! why
OH FOR FUCK SAKE mand!!! why the hell did you bring this old shit up again?? jeez dude just let it die..damn
Hey, first of all I have no
Hey, first of all I have no idea why in the world you get so mad about this. If you are having a bad day or something, don't get mad at me or anyone in the Forum. Because everyone has the right to post anything they want, I'm not insulting you or anyone in the Forum, so you feel that you have the right to insult me in the first place? I think you are a bit out of place kid.
And second, don't be disrespectful and stop cursing! I'm asking YOU, what is YOUR problem? Why you don't want me to expose Bethesda? Are you hiding something?
Relax and if you are here to make me shut up, you will not succeed... I'm afraid.
PD: If you don't care about
PD: daemonnnn if you don't care about this Topic or this specific subject, why are you reading it? And WHO give YOU the right to come along cursing in my face like that?
" If you have nothing good to say, say nothing".- Lao Tzu
well it is kind of useless
well it is kind of useless to bring up dead themes like this one and this will confuse newcomers for nothing.. I read the Art Of War so i know all the saying from Lao Tzu and his brothers..i think that phrase would be better off applicable to you seeing has the fact that you had nothing new to say,you have decided to bring up a 1yeard-old topic that tbh, is completly irrelevan to what we are doing now.. And yes i have a lot of things to hide, but none of them related to this lol I'm sorry you have to resort to low down subjects..and i didn't read the topic,you just brought a dead thing to the top of our active topics list,while knowing bugs/progress is right now, far mora important then what ppl think of bethesda.
Sorry, no deal.
You are not the owner of the Forum, you don't see me ordering you around. You should step down from your illusory throne, little one. Besides, you think that some things are more relevant than others right? Well this is very relevant to me, I didn't go to your Topics and say "What a piece of **** is this? This is irrelevant and BLAH BLAH BLAH"
And btw, don't lie because this topic is not 1 year old, you can easily read the date up there 09/09/2009 so it's only 6 months old and the last post was just 3 months ago.
Such a reader with that potty mouth, it seems that you only have one way to express your frustration, and that is not a very educated one. We're not at the same level, because you "think" that you're above me, that is your biggest mistake.
If you are so superior and so great to judge me, why do you get involved in "low down subjects"? Just like you said. And you can rest your soul that I have nothing to hide.
Ho! And I almost forgot, stop attacking me indirectly, if you are so great and superior, at least try to do it , directly. Take the heat and don't hide behind words in random Topics like a coward.
Talk to me, when your eyes are open, till then I have nothing else to say regarding your childish and arrogant attitude towards me. Next time, mind your own business.
PD: I have the right to openly express myself. You don't have the right to insult me, especially when I didn't insult you.
Oh come on, cool down. Lots
Oh come on, cool down. Lots of games draw inspiration from symbology that was also used in old religions and stuff, you just notice it because a lot of religions also share some kind of symbology. It's often just used because someone thinks it sounds cool, not every developer analyzes all the connections one could make - they don't hide a deeper message, they borrow heavily from things already known to them (as do almost all pen&paper rpgs, too).
Back to the morroblivion topic:
Using Bethesdas assets was not a real problem. The problem lies deeper: Bethesda themselves apparently licensed some assets (textures? models? it was never explicitely said afaik) from other companies for use in Morrowind, and Morrowind only. If Galadrielles converter now transports these into Oblivion, the other companies could sue Bethesda for using their work without permission in ways not specified in their original contract (which is ofcourse bull since Beth didn't make the converter themselves, but it's the same with the "hof coffee" story - you couldn't access the content without modifications, but they still got sued. IIrc Morrowind got its rating bumped up too, because mods with adult content appeared - though they were not made by Beth, the ESRB still changed their rating because of the existence of these).
So Beth is really only covering their asses here. They probably made Galadrielle sign a NDA, which prevents him/her from talking about the terms of the settlement - that's not uncommon in the software industry.
Still, they have achieved what they wanted: By pushing the mod off all the major boards, support has almost died down completely, and it is now again unknown to most and far from being completed.
BTW, if you remember, the crysis-oblivion-mod was also shut down due to the using-assets-of-one-game-in-another problem. Some developers give away parts or all of their textures/sounds after a few years because technology has marched on, but if you don't own all the rights to these in the first place, you cannot do that.
Thank you hrahn, that was a
Thank you hrahn, that was a good description for all of these fools and the only sensible post in this thread.
No. This is not some