Morroblivion

So... How did you start your game? Morrowind style or Oblivion?

If you've played Morrowind/blivion and then want to go Cyrodiil I don't understand why you hav'nt killed the Dark Brotherhood in Mournhold already, Tribunal is automatically installed with Morroblivion.

If you want to complete Oblivion before going to Morrowind, don't, just don't, Oblivions creatures are level dependant while Morrowinds are set. I.E.:you will kill everything in Morrowind with 1-2 hits, and if you wanted that you might as well just have activated gode mode from the beginning.

The Skaal honor guard is more interesting, not actually an important bug but I'd say it was perhaps accidentally added to a classification for a "guardspawn" script or something.

That's not correct.

The Dark Brotherhood assasins start to attack you quite early in the game, from about level 2 onwards.  It is not nesessary to do any of the main quest for them to attack you,so it's not odd that your being attacked.

Dude, don't complain about a bug being there if you play the games backwards.

Yes, you know that thing the Oblivion Ashlanders say if they think your a dick,: "You remind me of my homeland, DURING THE BLIGHT."? As far as lore wise goes Oblivion is the sequel to Morrowind, playing it backwards basicly means your time travelling.

Not to mention that if you do Oblivion before Morrowind you'll be far too high a level to basicly enjoy any actual challenge, so as far as gameplay is concerned doing Oblivion first is just making sure Morrowind becomes a sight seeing trip.

Also, the dark brotherhood does'nt attack you for the main quest of Morrowind but for Tribunal. Since they seem to have no trouble getting from Mournhold to Vvardenfell I doubt getting to Cyrodiil would be much of a problem, especially since it's cannon that you can teleport from Mournhold to Vvardenfell via mages, even considering the mages would have an effective limit of teleportation, and taking that as the distance between Ebonheart and Mournhold, checking the map, from Mournhold to Ebonheart is the same distance as 0.5 times the distance between Mournhold and Cheydinhal.

So a Dark Brotherhood assasin would need at most 2 teleports to get into Cyrodiil, making it completely plausible that a time travelling assasin would try to kill you in Cyrodiil, because YOU (yes YOU) made this game include time travelling, CONTINUITY RESTORED!

If you did'nt want to continue the conversation about the Dark Brotherhood you should'nt have badly tried to refute my points, let me just show you exactly how flacid they are:

"Morroblivion should not influence the province of Cyrodiil or spawn any objects or npc to it if i have never been in Morrowind."

You loaded in the mod for Morroblivion before actually wanting to play the Morrowind section, by this action you FORCE in (you remember all those other mods you had to download? Vvardenfell imports?) the content into Oblivion, activating the mod after completing your main Cyrodiil bussiness would have solved all your problems.

"Morrowind excist in a completely different worldspace. So the mystery of buggy SKAAL HONOR GUARD remains, lets stay in that subject shall we."

It exists just as much in a different 'worldspace' as Anvil and a Anvil Watchtower interior do, it's all code, code does'nt care for silly ideas like worldspace, just about what references to what. The Honor Guard is still a bit vague but considering you seem to be the only one as of yet (and I just finished the Oblivion MQ after Morrowind) and it's closer to a minor aestethic problem then an actual bug.

"The Dark Brotherhood assassin dont have an AI Package or Script to use such services as Mournhold Teleporting system or any other kind of teleporting system and such a service(Teleporting from Morrowind to Cyrodiil) does not excist in this ->GAME<-."

The Dark Brotherhood assasins don't have ingame services to the get to Morrowind either, they just spawn there because it easier then letting a unit teleport all over the place, your point is based on that you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that the game works like life would, which is actually kind of cute. Actually, to be a bit more precise, the actual script works with proximity, so the assasin spawns next to the bed (in Morrowind originally altough I hav'nt experienced it quite like that).

Now, going by your logic, because the Dark Brotherhood assasins have a spawn-next-to-player script that must mean they can spawn at will anywhere? Even the moon as long the NPC had a reason to be there?

And another thing, and this is not even touching on the conventional methods of travel is that Oblivion itself uses, the Mages Guild teleport system. Let me give you a very valuable link that I hoped you'd have googled after my previous post, the Elder Scrolls map: http://pc-overware.be/Frenrir/Images/Jeux/The%20Elder%20Scro...

As you can clearly see Balmora is actually closer to Cheydinhal then Kvatch, making teleportation between Balmora and Cheydinhal easier to do then across the imperial hartland, which they have no problem doing. If your to go by the power and levels of the actual teleporting mages it's not exactly a high class feat, making it even possible that they have their own teleporting mage if not just simply kidnapped one (wonder who enchants all their armor...).

"this is only a game and i am here to report a BUG, im not here to be advised how to play Oblivion"

Well, if your doing it in a way that messes up the fun and causes bugs at the same time, you really should'nt be playing that way. I'm guessing the only reason noone else managed to find bugs like this is because they played it likes it's supposed to be played, which is clearly written on the download page. This is like playing Dragon Age 2 and then bitching it won't take your save in Dragon Age 1.

Get out, AND STAY OUT!

And take your bad grammar with you.

Actually, considering you even managed to mispell my name as Wadon and english is'nt my native language either I have all the right to call your out on your horrible writing skills.

And as far as debugging goes, I actually take the time to bloody help someone if they post a bug here, most of the people here have bugs that actually make it impossible for them to proceed, or at least very difficult, this however is just a useless post by some idiot that thinks that ALL BUGS MUST BE REPORTED, everyone that plays this game finds small bugs like this on a consistent basis, we don't post em all in their own threads because THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT, it was'nt too long ago that the main quest was completed, there are bigger priorities then fixing every little aestethic bug, Steph for instance managed to find a huge error in the code to do with the leveling of your character that could potentionally crash the game on a consistent basis, he probably noticed too that noone else seemed to have the problem up until that point, so he did'nt make a thread, perhaps waiting till he had more answers to help other people with.

Just from playing yesterday I could make a post about an error in the Solstheim mesh for the stronghold, guards occasionaly having transexual armor and Redoran Guards running around without armor, making a damn thread for all these small bugs would'nt help anyone as the bugs that are relevant right now are the gamebreaking ones.

However, what you do is you find the first completely irrelevant bug while playing the game backwards and then bitch and moan that someone should fix YOUR bug.

And I told you to stay out because you where going the whole poor martyr route: "Woe me, he has wronged me and I shall take my vengeance upon the project (by not posting irrelevant bug reports anymore)."

Also, if your want someone to take your threats to leave seriously you probably should'nt post the next day anyway.

Hashmi, I'm glad you edited your post to remove the flamer comment, as this is more a strange discussion gotten out of hand then an actual flame war.

As the discussion was getting pointless anyway I'll leave it be, but on fixing this bug, are you actually going to dedicate your time on it? Because there are still bugs plagueing this game that are stopping people from completing quests or just playing at all that have been around since the previous game version, I would find it a bit odd if this got prescendence over those people.

Also, as a note, the only way to get the results he's getting is to load an OLD save game from before installing Morroblivion (or activating it), not sure how you people are on the project but what I remember from ANY world overhaul mod in Oblivion and Morrowind is that they always told you to make a new save as otherwise you could get loads of unexpected bugs.

I believe most people know this and that's why noone encountered bugs like this before (regardless if they're save or game based), just attaching a disclaimer to not do this would seem alot more logical then debug the whole game for backwards playing when there's still so much work left to do.

Changing status on these to 'critical' as they interfere with normal Oblivion gameplay.

Also, similar reports of Morrowind NPCs spawing in Cyrodiil are here: http://morroblivion.com/morrowind-npcs-in-cyrodiil

Funny you should mention it - I've just had a DB assassin spawn in the Shivering Isles. That's dedication!

I guess they don't perform something like a location check as it wasn't necessary in Morrowind - all appearances would be on Vvardenfell and de facto in context. /captain obvious

No thoughts on the Skaal Honour guard, though. I'm not familiar enough with Bloodmoon. Did they spawn outside Solstheim?

eta: Heh, listen to me. Is it even possible to do a check of the player's location?

@Vivec Oh yeah, I had that bug years ago on oblivion for the 360 way before I got me first gaming pc. It annoyed me so bad I tried to kill them and got expelled from the fighters guild twice.

The bug with skaal honor guard was caused by wrong condition on his AI package, which forced him to find the player continuosly (poor guy :))

Fix: http://www.mediafire.com/?os03n18733y9321