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I was browsing tesnexus today for oblivion mods because my new computer is in order and I want to get everything set up. The thing is though, Bethesda really pissed me off this time because the new update about skyrim is that you have to have internet connection to play their game. What the hell ever happened to open source? Not literally, but in a modding world, you know what I mean. Sometimes I like to turn off my router and relax by playing a few videogames offline and save a few bucks on the energy bill. I guess I'll have to rely on .iso and torrents for this game as well. I dont think Bethesda us going to get anymore of my money if they cant even trust their own consumers to buy the game.

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Oldwolf58 here is a source quote for you:

The effects of copyright infringement on digital culture <snip>

I wouldn't put much weight in a Wikipedia article. It's philosophy is centered around providing the most popular opinion, not necessarily the truth. You will regularly see people there quote something along the lines of the following: "The threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth." It is virtually impossible to have information removed from an article based solely on it being a lie and I know this being a semi-active Wikipedia editor. Remember, Wikipedia is not perfect: it is subject to exactly the same biases and faults that plague anything. In particular:
Surveys indicate that software piracy is generally regarded as an issue of low moral intensity.
Since most people don't believe there is anything wrong with piracy, what motivation is there to ensure that Wikipedia says negative things about it? This sentence also further proves my point that the idea that Bethesda "trusts" their customers to buy rather than pirate their stuff is ludicrous.


Oldwolf58 Your own article...
Now hold on a second! My own article? I had nothing to do with the authoring of that article. It is simply an article I discovered a while ago which, I believe, gives a lot of information that people need to hear.

And it should be noted that those figure include ALL pirated software, Movies, music, Operating systems etc etc and NOT just games. Your own article stated that 70% or more of the pirated software is Music and video software.
Okay, I'm very confused here as to what you are trying to say. I said that at least 80% of the people that acquire a video game do so through piracy. Worldwide piracy rates have absolutely nothing to do with that ratio. The article quotes piracy rates as a portion of all internet traffic. This just highlights how out of control piracy is. And it doesn't surprise me that at least 70% of all piracy is music and movies, since these two represent the two most popular electronic entertainment mediums. Video gaming doesn't even come close to the volume of both money and material that these two move. As another example, video gaming is almost exclusively a "male hobby" whereas music and movies are enjoyed almost equally by both genders. Again, the fact that video gaming represents less than 30% of global piracy has nothing to do with the ratio between legitimate and illegitimate video game customers. With that out of the way, we move on to your question:

 

Oldwolf58 Can I ask  you where you're getting those percentages from?
From the article I linked to. It's not written plainly in the manner I used though; I had to use mathematics and logical deduction to arrive at those figures.

If you had read the article further, you would have found the following:

For 2009, the most pirated PC game as reported in this article was Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. The PC version had a staggering 4.1 million downloads via torrents alone compared with an estimated 200,000 - 300,000 actual sales via retail and Steam
For 2010, the most pirated PC game as reported in this article was Call of Duty: Black Ops, at 4,270,000 downloads via torrents, ... the PC version of Black Ops is estimated to have only made up only 6% of the total sales for the game (despite there being more gaming PCs than Xbox 360s and PS3s combined, as the article later shows)
Some recent calculations revealed that, last week, gamers with pirated copies of Emergence requesting support outnumbered gamers with legitimate copies of Emergence requesting support by a ratio of nearly five to one. (and that's just pirates stupid enough to go ask for tech support)
...the developer of the game has stated that World of Goo has an approximate piracy rate of 90%.
The independent game Machinarium, ... also has the dubious honor of a 90% piracy rate.
I've fought for 6 years against the need for any kind of protection system and all that's happened is that for every legitimate copy of an LGP game out there, there are probably 3-4 pirated copies.(and that's from Linux gamers, a community which is notorious for presenting themselves as enlightened champions of fair play, always insisting that they'll reward any company that doesn't use protected software)
...the game Demigod has been pirated so heavily in its initial release period that it has caused the game's servers to effectively go down. Out of the 120,000 connections made to the game's servers, over 100,000 were by confirmed pirates, leaving only around 18,000 legitimate purchasers.
I think I've made my point.

At the end of the day though, the issue is not the accuracy of my figures or exactly how many people are pirating games. The issue is that piracy is so rampant and there are so many people who feel entitled to a video game copy without paying for it that it is impossible for a video game business to simply trust that their customers will do the right thing. If we want them to trust us, we must earn their trust. The most obvious way to do this is to eradicate piracy.

 

And one more thing. I would recommend that you try limit quoting external sources to small sections that directly target the point you are trying to make, rather than the enormous quotes you made that contained a large amount of information that wasn't relevant to the discussion. Also, I don't think that large body of text you copied from the piracy article qualifies as fair use. That means you've pretty much engaged in copyright infringement by making that post so I seriously recommend you reduce that quote down to the relevant facts.

 

Hashmi1 I've personally always used PowerISO for Morrowind and a NOCD-crack for Oblivion, and haven't  ever had a problem.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't trust those disc imaging programs considering that Alcohol 120% and Daemon Tools use rootkits and DT also has security vulnerabilities. In fact, I did a search of Secunia for PowerISO and found that it has/had 1 security vulnerability. I suggest you also scan your PC with TDSSKiller to see if it also uses rootkits. I do have ImDisk installed for disc imaging since it is open source, minimalistic and I haven't found either of the problems I mentined in this program. However, I find that as I buy games through Steam, my disc imaging needs diminish.

Also, I've already quoted that pirated and cracked material is statistically the most common method of getting infected. Also, I have read numerous stories which say that using a crack for Oblivion makes the game even more unstable than it already is.

Hashmi1 Assasin's Creed 2 (which originally required constant internet connectivity and even saved your games on an online server instead of on your HD) was cracked within a single month of its release
I think this article (by the same person as the piracy article in my first post) provides a good summary of that DRM system and I also kept close tabs on it. Suffice to say, it does not require you to save your games online and it actually took nearly two months to crack the DRM and it took even longer for Silent Hunter 5.

 

Another important point I would like to reiterate from the article I linked to in my first post is that a lot of people seem to fool themselves into believing that DRM must create an imprenetrable fortress to "work". As the article points out though, it's the same as saying that a physical lock must turn a home into an imprenetrable fortress to "work" and that DRM's actual purpose is to stop "day-zero piracy" (where a game gets cracked and released for free before the official release). The mechanisms employed by Steam ensures that the Steam servers are the only place you can get the game's EXE at the time of release which means that day-zero piracy for a Steam game is impossible. At best, hackers can release the crack a few hours after the official release.

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XJDHDR, you said

"The mechanisms employed by Steam ensures that the Steam servers are the only place you can get the game's EXE at the time of release which means that day-zero piracy for a Steam game is impossible. At best, hackers can release the crack a few hours after the official release."

That is an interesting stance. And advance copies are never sent out for review, or left on the bus, or leaked for a bit of extra cash, or...

As for Steam's offline mode, it's good in priciple, but I found out recently during ISP trouble that one needs to be online in order to tell the servers that you're going offline. So if you don't plan the outage of service, you're stuck being unable to play the games that use it for DRM verification.

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Oldwolf58 Your own article...Now hold on a second! My own article? I had nothing to do with the authoring of that article. It is simply an article I discovered a while ago which, I believe, gives a lot of information that people need to hear.

 

I did NOT mean to indicate you were in any way associatied with the writing of the article however; it is the article you referenced and that is what I meant by that statement. As far as gaming piracy goes yes its bad no it's NOT as rampant as you say it is as even the article you REFERENCED stated that 70% or more of the pirated software is MUSIC and VIDEO software IE. Songs and movies. The remaining aproximately 30% includes all OTHER software .... OS's, tools and yes games but how much of that 30% is games ?? I would doubt that it could be more than 10% if it's that much as Operating Systems in 3rd world countries where the majority of the piracy is taking place would be a much better take than a game they can't play if they can't afford a computer with and OS. I think all in all you are blowing this all out of proportion and it seems you are simply trying to start a huge debate of a trivial portion of the piracy issue.

That being said I have nothing further to discuss with you on this issue so have a good day.

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iceburg333 I'm opposed to not getting mod tools.
Much better! At least now I have something I can work with. If you're talking about Black Ops, did you see my earlier post?
It's not [Valve's] fault that Treyarch and Activision (Black Ops' developer and publisher, respectively) chose not to release modding tools.
If you're talking about a different game, I don't know of any examples of Steam being the direct cause of modding tools not being released. And even if there are examples, Valve did not create those games and they don't hold the license to those games so they have absolutely no say in whether or not modding tools get released. To take Skyrim as an example, the decision of whether or not it gets modding tools lies entirely with Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios, Valve has no say in the matter. The only way one can blame Valve is for games that Valve owns, and I don't know of any that aren't moddable.

 

iceburg333 I'm opposed to buying a game cd and then having to wait 4 hours for the game to download, because the cd was worthless and didn't have the game on it.
I know that one is required to download the game's EXE from Valve's servers since that is not kept on the disc but that can't be more than a few MBs. If the game disc doesn't contain a significant portion of the game's files, the people at fault are those who decided what goes on the disc (Treyarch and Activision, in the case of Black Ops). The only reason one can blame Valve for discs that don't have the required files are games that Valve owns. Another thing to consider is that if you try installing a game when there are patches available, the Steam client will download those patches. This is a legitimate problem and I think someone should politely ask Valve to implement a system where the end user isn't required to download patches when installing the game.

 

iceburg333 I'm opposed to getting on to play black ops and it randomly being 'unavailable' because steam desided to take it off.
Could you elaborate on this? I have and regularly play Modern Warfare 2 on my Steam account and I have never seen anything like what you're describing.

 

iceburg333 On another note, I bought a game called Sanctum for $10. 4 hours later it went on sale for $3. I asked customer service for $7. They said no.
I'm sorry for your financial loss but this is called being a victim of circumstance. You bought the game while it wasn't on special, even if it was by only a few hours. If Valve granted you a discount, I can imagine this setting into motion a deadly chain of events that ends with Valve being required to give their existing custimers a refund for every single game they ever put on special. Even worse, it could lead to Valve being required to give refunds because of the normal process of a game being worth less as time moves on. So tell me: Where does one draw the line? I would say Valve's line is the start of the special.

Let's also say, for example that you own a bakery. One day, you make a batch of cakes and start selling them for $10. As the morning progresses, you aren't selling a lot of cakes so you decide to reduce the price to $5. After that, some of your earlier customers march into your store and demand a $5 refund because they bought the cake while it was available for $10. Will you give all of them that refund?

 

iceburg333 I've also had the game be unavailable because they want to update it.
Did you change that one option which tells Steam that you don't want it to download updates for the game?

 

iceburg333 They own the game, sure. But I hate how they rub my face in it.
Such as?

 

iceburg333 a lot of my friends don't have internet fast enough to run this sort of thing.
I'm pretty sure your friends are intelligent enough to not tie themselves to a digital distribution service.

 

iceburg333 If they buy Black ops, they'll be downloading it for a week, since steam doesn't even put game info on there dvds
Treyarch didn't put game info on the DVD. Also, they will have to download the missing files as well as any patches that have been released.

 

iceburg333 Ya. They don't honor the previeous promise. There isn't a loophole in what I said.
Bethesda never promised Linux and Mac ports, end of story. I am not going to be angry at Bethesda for something that another developer is responsible for. Bethesda has nothing to apologise for; it is John Carmack who needs to apologise for making a rash promise that his business couldn't uphold.

 

iceburg333 I use both magic Iso and Daemon tools and have never had a problem.
You could say that for a lot of dangerous things but at the end of the day, you're playing with fire and one day you might get burned.

 

iceburg333 nothing has made me want to pirate more than Valve / Steams chokehold on software
Chokehold? As far as I know, the vast majority of video games don't require Steam to play so you aren't really limiting yourself if you choose not to go that route. Also, I'm going to quote something from the piracy article I linked to earlier. Specifically the last page where it gives a list of practical solutions the consumers and game businesses can accomodate:
Drop the DRM hysteria. Work with developers and publishers to provide verified and rational feedback on problems you genuinely believe are related to DRM so that they can rectify the issues, either through patches or workarounds, and of course to prevent these issues in newer versions of the protection systems. If all else fails, don't buy games which have problematic DRM, but don't pirate them either - this sends an unambiguous message to the games companies that all demand for their product - both legitimate and illegitimate - is falling.
Again, simply not acquiring the game in question has exactly the same effect on avoiding DRM as piracy. Again, the only difference between the two is that not acquiring means you can't play the game whereas piracy has no such restriction. Hence, people pirate games because they want to play it without spending money; nothing more, nothing less. Any other reason is perfectly satisfied by not acquiring the game so people who pirate using those excuses are not providing the whole truth.

 

iceburg333 We're not searching out ways to break the law here, we're just venting.
vvancev I guess I'll have to rely on .iso and torrents for this game as well. I dont think Bethesda is going to get anymore of my money
Let's see! He doesn't want to give Bethesda any money yet he wants to acquire the game and he's talking about using ISOs and torrents. There is no other conclusion but this: He wants to pirate the game. And Seferoth says he's tempted to warez the game from the net. Maybe they mean cracking but that requires a follow up comment because what has currently been said implies piracy, not cracking.

 

iceburg333 We have our opinions, and its okay that we have them and that we actively discuss them. ... but I still hate steam, and that's okay.
Absolutely! I have no problem with people hating Steam; as long as they do so using reasons that actually exist. Mostly, this is the reason for my posts; to point out that most of the reasons given for hating Steam so far are not valid. Another one of my pet peeves though are people exerting their right to not buy a game license then behaving in a smug manner; as if they were smart enough to discover an enormous scam.

 

iceburg333 ... especially by insulting my logic.
Wha...? Insult your logic? Where have I done anything like that? In fact: Moderaters: I expect you to punish me if I have insulted any member of this forum!

 

And advance copies are never sent out for review, or left on the bus, or leaked for a bit of extra cash, or...
Good point! I never considered leaked advance copies. Then again, this is hardly Valve's fault, is it? Also, I don't know of any examples of this occuring. Do you?

 

As for Steam's offline mode, it's good in priciple, but I found out recently during ISP trouble that one needs to be online in order to tell the servers that you're going offline.
I recently did some tests in this regard and I found that if you aren't connected to the internet when you start the Steam client, it will give you the choice of starting itself in offline mode and will automatically switch back into online mode the next time you start it with an internet connection present. If I manually set it to offline mode while it is in online mode though, it will stay offline until I say otherwise.

Is this not how it's behaving for you? If so, I suggest you file a bug with Valve's support. And that goes for everyone else who has problems with the Steam client. Valve can't fix these bugs if they don't know about them. In fact, my Steam client updated itself last night and one of the changes was something along the lines of "Fixed an issue where the user isn't given the option of starting in offline mode if the client isn't set to remember passwords".

 

Oldwolf58 I did NOT mean to indicate you were in any way associatied with the writing of the article
Excellent! At least that is out of the way.

 

Oldwolf58 ...even the article you REFERENCED stated that 70% or more of the pirated software is MUSIC and VIDEO software
Sigh! I've already discussed this point in that post you quoted. Global piracy rates have absolutely nothing to do with the ratio between legitimate game consumers and video game pirates for any specified game (which is the percentage I quoted and proved). But it seems you are interested in expressing video game piracy as a percentage of global piracy rates, which is not the aim of my initial post. In fact, if the rampant nature of video game piracy constitutes only a marginal portion of global piracy, this just underlines how out of control piracy as a problem is.
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Since this year will be very busy for me, I'll get this game sometime around May 2012.

Despite the critisisms, Oblivion was great to me. I welcomed the changes in AI and everything even though spears and levitation were removed.

I'm sure this will be the same with Skyrim. Maybe Bethesda wanted to make a unique experience in each game, rather than "catering for the Cod crowd" as some fanboys said.

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My 2 cents:

* Steam argument: I actually like Steam because of the convenience. And I live in a town where high-speed Internet is a luxury, so I understand about going in offline mode. I've never had problems with going in offline mode.

*  Anti-piracy: If you bought the game, then using iso's or cd cracks is fine in my opinion. You bought the game. However, I must say that applications and games piracy is wrong and a serious issue, and like XJHDR said, consumers can't be trusted because we are the ones that have screwed up.

I think a reason why piracy is so rampant is the pricing on software. Games I can't see why. I know $60 is a lot, but it isn't that much compared to the $100's or in some cases $1000's that some programs cost. For example, a simple screen recording program costs $100 bucks! That's crazy! I would probably pay $15 for that with no complaints.

Which is why I like Apple's approach with the Mac App Store. It's the equivalent of Steam but for Apps. Most of the apps are reasonably priced. Word processing program is $15, same with spreadsheet, presentation software, etc. Even high end video editing software is only a couple hundred dollars versus the thousand dollars they usually cost.

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piracy is stealing for profit. there you go. the entire internet functions on the principle of copying and sharing files. that's the bottom line. "pirates are scum" is a very immature statement. on one hand, actual pirates kill and rape for fun and profit. software pirates copy and share lines of code for fun and... fun. personally, i think trolls are scum.

 

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XJDHDR 

I don't see any point in arguing further. I'm obviously not going to change any of your opinions, and you're not changing any of mine. If I answer any of your questions / respond, we'll just keep going back and forth. 

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how did a simple thread about steam turn into a political (and, i assure you, it is) rant about the morality of "stealing" software? especially when nobody suggested pirating any actual software? yeah, piracy hurts game companies. but the tools of the "pirates" (i really do hate that term when applied to average users. a real copyright pirate steals and reproduces material in order to re-sell it for profit) can be useful to make life for those of us that don't want to use steam a lot easier. also, i'm pretty certain that most of the people that "pirate" games don't have the money to buy games.

but, anyway, steam in skyrim will not require constant internet access. i believe that address the op's concerns. peace out, nerds!

 

oh yeah.. cat...watermelon...lake... i think you know where i'm going with this...

 

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 This is just my opinion.. And of course whether I liked it or not, Steam had to be installed onto my computer.

I am with the many who don't like Steam and never wanted it installed in my PC in the first place..

There are many who like and use Steam for their gaming.. Okay Cool.

There also many like me who feel that Steam should not have been "Forced" upon them.

Not long after I installed Steam and was playing Skyrim, did the Message for all Steam Users pop up. Apparently the Steam Forums have been hacked into, and a small number of Users did have personal and credit card information stored in thier Steam Files which may have been taken by the hackers.

After viewing this message it only reinforced my opinion and dislike of Steam itself.

Probably mentioned a hundred times.. But no matter what the Game requires the use of steam, and uninstalling Steam also means uninstalling the game.. I have read elsewhere someone comment on another forum for a person to just shut steam off if they do not like it.. I have tried, Steam is an intergral part of the game no matter what..

I do not openly embrace Steam, nor did I want it in first place, I did not want to play Skyrim just to have achievements to boast about. I do think that Steam should have been an option instead of forcing it's players to install something that is not of use to them..

Steam probably has it's good points, but it is just not something I feel is for me..

I will be contacting a few Game Magazines, Review Sites or other Gaming groups to get some info, possibly in starting a Law Suit over this matter. People should not be forced into accepting anything they do not want.. Steam should have been an option, not a necessity.

And anyway this is just my opinion. And I have no problems with anyone who likes Steam as a serivce.  

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Hey Davyou, I found something out cool:

Steam only runs / opens with skyrim when you run the launcher. If you run skyrim by using TesV.exe or using the script extender (both should be in the program file, next to the launcher), then steam won't open or launch. You won't be able to boast about all of your shiney steam accomplishments, but I think its well worth it. I do this and steam never starts.

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So .. there's no good reason to boycott Steam then?

 

 

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Hey Davyou, I found something out cool:

Steam only runs / opens with skyrim when you run the launcher. If you run skyrim by using TesV.exe or using the script extender (both should be in the program file, next to the launcher), then steam won't open or launch. You won't be able to boast about all of your shiney steam accomplishments, but I think its well worth it. I do this and steam never starts.

 

How is this special? The previous Elder Scrolls and Fallout games worked the same way. Then again, most of you probably never played the previous games through Steam. Personally, I think Steam is an annoyance if you only use it for a couple of games, but very convenient if you have a lot of them. As someone who has over 230 Steam games, I find it very useful.

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iceburg, they patched that error in the DRM.  next time you log in to steam, it will replace your skyrim TESV.exe with a new one that is encrypted and requires Steam.

that was just an oversight on their part.  there is a big thread about this 'sneak patch' on bethesda's forums. http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1287963-whats-your-opinion-of-the-new-drm-update/

 

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Thermador: Bah. Darn you steam! Thanks man. I'm hopeing to never log on to steam again... but we'll see. I don't see why I need another program taking up more memory so that I can play a game... 

Steph, I totally think we should still boycott steam. ;)

TK21- I don't know, I've always bought my elderscrolls games in cd/dvd form.

I've never been more tempted to pirate than I by steam's constant antipirating actions. (I am NOT endorsing pirating, just saying that all of their antipirating crap makes it way rougher on those of us who don't pirate).

I've heard so many negative things about the new patch, that at this point I'm waiting to download it. And if its only through steam then who knows if I ever will.... I'd rather weather the bugs I have now and have a game free from steam and free to be modded then play a totalitarion controlled steam game that doesn't even let you use mods like address aware.

More depressing steam news. The construction set will be out some time in january (bummer!) and it's going to be working with steam (Uber bummer!). Here's the link to the news on Skyrim Nexus: http://www.skyrimnexus.com/news/article.php?id=37 

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i just used a crack. they have my $60. in my opinion, that is the end of the transaction. who gives a flying fish about "achievements"? to reiterate, a game crack is perfectly legitimate as long as you own the game. if you're gonna shoot down that suggestion and then still complain about steam, suck it up, fanboy! now, it's YOUR fault. you have no qualms about using unofficial patches, so, what's the difference?

 

on the 1.2 patch: seems to work alright as long as you use SKSE. the improvements to the menu system are too much for me to want to go back. can't wait for the creation kit, though. hopefully someone will come up with a usable skills menu. that thing is atrocious...

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meanwhilebacklash: I have no problems with cracks, if you've bought the game, so I'm with you, not against you. So if I keep using Skse, then I can safely download the patch without launching steam every time I want to play? Ya, I'm so bummed I have to spend my winter break without the creation kit. :( Right now i'm gonna try to mod skyrim with the construction kit, lol, just for kicks.

ps. Funny to hear an argonian say he doesn't give a flying fish.

 

David: I hear your bitterness. And Bethesda won't listen to one voice in the wind, but I have to imagine a company will listen when enough people complain, and maybe that WILL make a difference.

I know that I signed a contract and the game is mine and yet not mine. I was willing to 'bear' steam in order to play skyrim, and if there would have been a no steam option, I would have taken it. There wasn't, and I took the game with steam. I'm not asking for my money back or to void my contract, I'm just complaining because I've seen better Bethesda business in the past. I gave them my money, and Skyrim is worth steam and my money, but it sure does take away from the game, in my opinion.

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There is a way to run skyrim without steam,I have two folders on my biggest drive,one is the normal steam folder untouched and the other is the Skyrim folder copied from my steam app folder.

The only steam file in there is steam_api.dll,and I just run the TESV.exe from there and all my mods are in the data folder.

Runs fine and never trys to log on to my steam account.

 I have also backed up TesV.exe v1.1 and just use my orginal to test v1.2,that way only the bug free updates go into my stand alone Skyrim folder.Best of both worlds.:)

 Where can I get the SRSE [skyrim script extender].?

 

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http://skse.silverlock.org/download/skse_1_02_01.7z

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well did you see the news today?

Bethesda is trying to disintermediate mod sites like Nexus as nudge players toward posting/downloading all of their mods on STEAM.

http://www.bethblog.com/2011/12/01/skyrim-what-were-working-on/

 

Also they claim the construction kit will be released in January.

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Based on all of the previous posts I think I will not have skyrim installed on my pc.  I understand that bethsoft doesn't care and probably no one else does either.  skyrim will be a game that has a core following but will never reach the proportion of Morrowind, Oblivion, and Morroblivion. 

Bethsoft had a good thing going.  They produced the games and the modders made them playable.  That will most likely not be true with skyrim. Requiring Steam so you can have skyrim is a definite 'deal breaker' for me.

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Did someone say you can install Skyrim in a different directory and play it from there?

My load times are fine on the laptop, but on pc they take a long time. I read it may have to do with harddrive speed. Steam installed it on my pc's origional hard drive which is old and pretty filled / well worn. I'd like to switch it to my secondary hard drive that's a lot newer and see if it improves load time.

 

Awww Steph. Why don't you just wait a year for the price to go down and game stability to go up and then buy it? I think its still worth it even with steam and junk...

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Iceburg,

Just copy the whole "Skyrim" folder across to your new drive [and if you have not updated it to 1.2,back up the TesV.exe file]

From that new location you can then just run the launcher [which will update it to 1.2 if you go online],or run TesV.exe which should just run the game without steam.

If it all works you can then just delete your Skyrim folder from the old drive if you wish.

 Don`t move or delete anything else in the Steam folder,just copy the Skyrim folder out of the SteamApps/common/ folder onto your new drive.

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Awesome. I did exactly that. It took forever as I'd unpacked most of the bsa files, but it works great! And I think it really improved my load times.

I've read that people with solid state drives have like 1 and 2 second load times. Man would that be sweet. My oblivion, textured, overhauled, and modded, could really use a decreased load time.

Thanks Ironman!

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Have you tried copying your whole Oblivion folder across [same as you did with skyrim].?

If that works too then you would have them both on your new drive.?

But don`t forget to make sure that any shortcuts are edited to point to the new location on the new drive.

Is your new drive SATA or IDE,SATA drives are a lot faster than IDE,and the format should be NTFS not FAT32.

 

 

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Uh ya, the old drive (300g ish) is C:\programfiles\bethesda\ etc whatever. It came with the computer that I got somewehre around 2006. I got a newer drive (1tb) a couple years ago and its Sata. I moved Oblivion and Morrowind over to it A:\Games\Oblivion etc. when I installed Morroblivion.

Regarding NTFS / FAT32. I think its FAT32, but its too late to change it now, as there's like 300g on both hard drives and I don't feel like going through the file redistribution procsses again (backing up, reinstalling etc). If I get an SSD (see below) then I'll do NTFS if that's better.

I got frustrated with load times and the fact that I couldn't share any folders under the steam directory. Now I can access all my data files to and from laptop and pc. (yay!)

I'm not sure what the old drive was, but I think it was Sata too, but its super full and rather old. (On second thought it may well be ide, I'd have to peek inside some time).  I'm on the cusp of asking my parants for a solid state drive for Christmas. I figure if I get a 120 gig and just load Skyrim, Oblivion, etc on it then my load times should all but go away and then I can play with texture replacers and what not and not be sucked out of the immersion every time I activate a door. That would be a dream come true. Crashes and load times are the #1 reason I stop playing elder scrolls games. Oh, and with all my textures, oblivion constantly loads cells so I stutter a lot when I look a different way and run a couple steps... Not to mention it would lesson my phobia of testing mods, lol. 

I need to make sure my desktop can take another hard drive (There's space for it, but ya, better double check there's room to connect it to the motherboard). And I want to make sure its as good as it sounds right now.

So, Ironman (or anyone for that matter), have any advice on SSD's? Are they as good as they sound? is there a way I can see how fast my hard drives currently transfer data so I can compare it to an SSD? If I moved oblivion/skyrim over to it, would an SSD take my loading time down from say 2 minuts to 10 seconds?

ps. My oblivion folder is around 48 gigs, so if I got a solid state, I'd want 120 so I could fit Skyrim on to. But dang, that looks like its $200. That's about twice what I'd want to pay. Maybe I got excited prematurely. 



On a totally different note, with all of the Morroblivion texture overhauls by Eloth and Helpful person, I still think that (texture wise) Morroblivion looks way better than skyrim, though I love Skyrim's mountains / landscapes. 

 

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SSD would definately be faster,but only about something like 30secs per 250MB instead of about 3-4 mins with FAT32 and about 2 mins with NTFS.

But like you say it`s about 200 bucks for 120Gb,so is it worth it.?

About your slowdowns [stuttering],what Graphics card and drivers are you using.?And I think that less than 1Gb DD3 graphics mem is too low.

But you proberly have the latest card.? :)

 And don`t forget your power supply,an SSD drive uses more power and with the other devices it might mean that you could have to get a 1000wat one,at more bucks.

 

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I have a big problem with Skyrim now as it appears that Steam have messed up my game by insisting that we update to v1.2.

My menus don`t work after the update,like I can`t use the up/down arrows to move up or down the menus,v1.1 still works without probs but that means that my game has to be out of date to work.?

Also I have killed 5 dragons and got the souls but only the first 2 that you get during the training bit work,the other shouts can`t be unlocked,or if they can...how.?any ideas`s.

So v1.2 is unplayable for me as I can`t get to my full weapons/apparel and other lists [they are there but I can`t scroll them with the mouse or arror keys].

Wierd game,I think it was just rushed out for Xmas.

 

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Ello peoples ^o^ I'm back on the forums browsing comments after a month or so... XJDHDR, you piss me off. But I don't want to have a long drawn out argument over bs. Just want to point someting out, I'm not an elitist or whatever you said, my political views are libritarian, and it's none of your concern anyways. Skyrim is getting to be best buds with Steamworks and socialist drm bull crap, and me for one, no likey. And another way to piss people off is correcting their grammer, were on a modding site! Not a college literature state exam review site! Plus I'm using a tablet and it's hard to type and I miss words now and then. Anyways thank you guys for making morroblivion. I've been *watching* since like... this project started and it gave me about 200 more hours of memorial gameplay. :)

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ftw? I know most text short hand jargon,but what is ftw,please?

 

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"ftw" is something that can be found here

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Ironman: I clicked the link, oh well. Basically ftw stands for 'for the win'. It's usually used like: Deadric armor ftw! or Sweet modding skillz ftw! or the like. 

Figured since you told me what IMO means I should respond by telling you what ftw means. Imo, sharing jargen is ftw! lol.

Vvancev: hey welcome back bro! Ya, insulting someone's grammer or spelling seems to me to be something you do to tear the other person down to make your argument stronger. Of course if you need to tear someone down to strengthen your argument, it reveals that your argument (or your articulation) is inadequate to convince the person/win the argument.

Yes, skyrim 1.1 ftw! I plan on not updating for a while!

Ironman again: Thanks for the response. At this point my laptop video card has 'total approximate memory 2280 mb'. My brother is playing Skyrim on the desktop, but I'll check it soon. My video card on the desktop that i had finally gotten stable just went unstable again, so at this point an SSD is out of the question again. :( I want to get an uber computer, but I think that's 2 years down the road still. (I'd like to get one when I get out of college, but then I may need the money for real life, so who knows?)

Pertaining to the update: To unlock new words using souls, select the soul (make it bright, use the mouse or 'wasd' keys) and press 'r' to unlock it, or if you're using the xbox controller press 'x'. In the bottom left of the screen it should show a button and say 'unlock soul'. In the bottom right it should say how many available souls you have. ('x dragon souls'). Try navigating menues using 'wasd' instead of arrow keys. Also check and make sure you arn't using external key remappers.

Let me know if that works.

Ya, I'm mixed about their release date. I'm really glad to have the game, even with bugs, but then, it would have been much more immersive to have the game without bugs. Imo, they should have spent the time they spent with steam debugging the game. Steamless skyrim ftw!

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@iceburg333

 

I might do that, but I only use my internet when I actually need it and I really don't want to have to report to someone every time I load a game. If Bethsoft ever decides to have a non-steam version for the PC, I'll probably try it.  Maybe. If they're nice about it. Any restriction on what I can do or what I have to have extra will make me not want it.

I still mod for Oblivion and according to the Nexus my files are doing ok. Not as big as some, but better than others.My most recent mod is here -> http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=41066  It's a little slow because I use Roberts Female.

 

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I found my petty and other souls on the list,but no dragon souls are there even though I have killed 5 and took thier souls.

And if I click on any souls it just says that in can`t be activated.

I know how to use the lab to make potions and the Enchanter bench to made magic weapons etc,but do I use the Enchanter bench to unlock dragon souls.?

I think the problem is that the dragon souls ain`t on the list in the "All" menu,should they be.?

 

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"I really don't want to have to report to someone every time I load a game" - AMEN

"Any restriction on what I can do or what I have to have extra will make me not want it." - AMEN

Ya, I found it worth it, but right now I run skse and keep skyrim off all of the time, so I'm able to run it without steam completly. If you bought it now I think you'd have to at least activate it online, which would update you to 1.2 probably and I think steam would stay on in the background, even if you ran it in 'offline' mode. But you *should be able to play it offline /without internet after that.

But then, you probably already know all that anyhow. And it might be worth waiting to mod it as well.

 

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Agreed! Iceburg,that`s why I intend to keep using v1.1 [then maybe hack the skse later to recognize it].

I feel sorry for the guys just buying it though.

BTW I have to use the "Z" key in the "Magic/Shouts" menu to unlock my shouts.:)

Thats because I have mapped the Z to my weapon ready key.

 

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Ya, Ikr!

Ah, got ya, well, glad you can unlock them now. :)

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I am a Brit so sometimes I type things that Americans might put differently,but I try.LOL.:)

I use my right mouse button to move forward and the "B" key for back.

 BTW who is that XJDHDR guy,he certainly likes typing a lot,[writers cramp].lol

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Right mouse button to move forward? THat's CRAZY! lol. Man that's a control lay out I never would have guessed. Do you strafe much? What got you into such a funky control lay out?

You know, I have no idea who he is, but he's a contributer, I guess. lol

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I know it sounds mad,but I use RMB to go forward ,strafe left A right D,so all I have changed is that I don`t use W for forward.

I can relax that way as moving forward and attacking is all I need.:)

 And for riding a horse it`s cool,just hold down RMB and go,beats holding down the W key imo,btw I use the left Alt key for left hand.

 

 

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Wow, it sounds Crazy, but it actually makes a lot of sense. It would mean you could explore in a much more chill manor.

I like it!

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:) Thanks Iceburg,and yeah it`s great just relaxing in sneak mode without touching the KBd.

 A few more:

Shouts/Power = S

Rest = R

Favorites = F

Middle mouse button = view change/wheel scrolling just move the view forward or back.

 

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Makes sense.

I made mmb my shout button so that I have fast access to it. I was going to swap "r" and "f" but Skyrim 1.1 didn't like that at all and would tell me to use "r" to do something (like give or drop an item), but I'd have to press "f" instead, so it didn't work out.

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here's some stuf I found others are saying ...

When you install Skyrim, it will install the Steam client and prompt you to create an account, then enter your DVD key which will be tied to your account, then will download updates. The end result is that there is no difference between buying it here or from Steam other than not having to download the entire thing.

Steam's Terms of Service indicate you can't resell the DVD but you can get around this by simply creating a Steam account and e-mail address just for this and selling both accounts and passwords along with the DVD I believe. SteamWorks made this an instant bargain-bin game. I'll wait until it's half price on Steam or get it used, if at all. I like the "Steam=rental" above.

Steam and Steamworks games aren't "supposed" to be sold at all. You register your DVD key with your Steam account and no one can register that key again. You can sell your Steam account along with the DVD to get around this but if Valve finds out they'll ban the key so it can't be played. This is unlikely in practice. But the "resale value" is supposed to be zero.

This is why many people won't buy Steam games. There are plenty of other reasons but this is a big one. Now SteamWorks comes along and makes DVD games into Steam games too so there's no escape.

There are lots of people who have no problems with Steam and are happy to say so, but I know plenty of others who can't play games they bought because the enforced patches break them (Fallout 3: New Vegas does this) had their entire account banned for weeks and lost access to all their games and had to convince Valve it was a mistake, tell Steam to not check for updates and it ignores them after a while and then they can't play until they install a huge mandatory update and they're on dialup etc. So I'm giving this title a pass.

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Great reasons to dislike steam. I say this without a smiley face or frowny face like I usually post because this is so grave and sad.

I've heard there is a way to be able to load 'most' of the game from the DVD, so you don't have to download the 'entire' game.

Yep, that's about all of the positive I can add.

Oh, and Skyrim is a great game, other than the Steam involvement.

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My 2 cents on DaemonTools - it works and yes has a rootkit which the makers of DaemonTools point out . That's how they are able to defeat so many types of copy protection...as for the others mentioned I cannot say...

Too bad companies like Sony and others FAIL to mention rootkitting something (for DRM no less) until someone calls them on it.

/end my 2 cents

PS loving Skyrim and apologize for my recent (and ongoing) extended absence

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I can run Skyrim without being online... Choosing "offline"... fine by me... Though it used to be "connect to internet" then log in THEN play but then I can choose to disconnect if I wanted to...

p.s. do any of you know if Steam sells product keys? I'm actually using my brother's steam account because he's the one who bought the PC version for us... dont really want to buy another PC copy just for my own account...

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