TESVEdit Released

Does this enable the dependency on skyrim esm ? If so, I might give it a shot before sending v8 to Iron Man for packaging..

Is this the same as the Gecko? If so, holy shit we can finally make some damn progress lol!

I have just tried it and maybe I am missing something,but the only thing you can do is save out an esp,same as the CK.

It will not let me add any masters,because it just shows an empty window to add them,if I type in skyrim.esm,it does nothing.

So our master stays the same.

I tried clicking in the master section,but it is greyed out,so no go there.

Thanks! for letting us know seldalore!,I quess you are correct,they are proberly still working on it as it is in the experimental stage.

Actually TESSnip skyrim edition is pretty nice too, you can add master dependency there, however it seems I havent quite figured out to to resequence formIDs, theres a clash of references from this esm to skyrim.esm. There are tools in this editor to change the formIDs but I haven't got any luck getting it to load in the CK. I'll keep working on it.

thanks machine !

I've tried adding the skyrim.esm dependency directly in wrye bash but then opening morrowind_sk.esm in the CK, I got a ton of errors.

Yes that happened to me too. It seems it can be possible to to re-index all the formIDs however, we would need all the work done up to this point on all the esps people have been working on. Because once you reindex them, reloading an esp thats looking for formIDs wouldn't match. 

In TESSnip theres a Spell option for "new FormID" it will change the formID for the base and all references to them. It takes ages to process the whole morrowind_sk.esm though. Its pointless to do this without getting all the esps, especially the character esps that people have been working on.

Actually TES5Edit does work! I was able to make v7 dependent on skyrim.esm and update.esm, and it loaded right into the CK just fine. Thanks seldalore!

digitalparanoid, heres the link for the editor: http://code.google.com/p/skyrim-plugin-decoding-project/downloads/detail?name=TES5Edit_3_0_22_EXPERIMENTAL.7z&can=2&q=

Open TES5Edit and load skyrim.esm, update.esm and morrowind_sk.esm.

Then once they are loaded, right click on morrowind_sk.esm and select Add Masters, click on both skyrim.esm and update.esm and select ok. After that, close the window of the program and it will ask if you want to save. It will take awhile. Once finished, open the CK, load the morrowind_sk and there you go! All skyrim references accessible.

Best of all, the plugins that are in progress and were dependent on our master seem to work fine too.

AWESOME!! I just tried your instructions and it does indeed work.

Now the question is whether or not Version Control will like our files more now that those dependencies are added.

Edit:  Hm, it appears that v7 of the masterfile has A LOT of errors.  We should probably try to get rid of some of those....

Also, isn't it technically possible to complete merging within TESV Edit by just copying all the records from the .esp into the masterfile?  Or am I way off with this line of thinking.

Those are good questions.

I have no idea about merging with TES5Edit, I haven't tried it. I think we should stick with VC as its safer for now. These 3rd party tools are very experiemental right now, they may cause more problems later down the road. I say we just create the dependencies with it and continue to use VC for merging if its possible.

I did notice those errors in our master too, its funny the CK doesn't seem to complain about the majority of those problems. Maybe they are ignorable, I mean, if the game doesn't complain who cares.

Is our master file..... dirty? =(

Machine & all,

Over the next few days [time permitting] I will try merging some esps that are dependent on skyrim.esm,with our master after making it dependent on skyrim.esm.

If the VC tool does not complain,and lets me use the skyrim stuff then our problems will be over.

Most of those errors in our master,I think are just references to the things that we have not added yet.

Will report back on the above.

V_08 of the installer will be uploaded and linked sometime tomorrow.

Sounds good ironman. I was getting pretty worried for awhile there, I'm glad this skyrim.esm dependency problem is almost over.

I just hope our master isn't dirty. The record structure seems to be a little different from the other games esms and its not like the esp converter was made for anything but oblivion and morrowind. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

People that used some of the other esp/esm editors that weren't compressing some the data right or other data loss problems you wouldn't notice the corruption until it was too late. Reports of NPC acting strange, blue voids in cellspace, missing landmass and other oddities. Most of the reports seemed to stem from plugin merging though.

There is an option to clean masters in TESVEdit,but not sure if it works properly yet.?

Here is a manual for the program, for anyone who needs it. It's for Fallout, but it's pretty much the same for the Skyrim version.
http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/8629

I tested as well the process Machine described. It seems to work (although for some reason the last modification date isn't changed on my file).

Then loading in the CK works. Loading an additional esp (eg a NPC conversion esp) works.

Merging a NPC conversion esp works as well.

After all that, starting skyrim with morrowind_sk enabled fails in the main menu... (disabling it works correctly).

Can someone else try this ?

If ya upload the master file and pm me it, I can give it a shot.

well, my point was to try the process described by Machine. Also, if you don't have v8, there's possibly issues with missing scripts.

Oh, nevermind then =p

Hi guys!

Coming out of lurking for a moment to warn you do not use TESSnip under any circumstances! There is hidden data in .esp files that TESSnip can cause problems with. Even if you don't detect it right away, these problems will persist with the file, and can cause CTDs in Skyrim over time.

If it is indeed out, use TESVEdit instead. :)

I think we're using tes5edit, at least that's my understanding..

Okiedoke. Come to think of it, they may have even fixed TESSnip. I just realized I'm working off old knowledge. -_-

digital is right, after the dependency modification, there is some corruption that happens somewhere, we are just going to have to wait for the tools to get better developed.

I've been reading the threads on the Beth forums for the tool, and the guy making the tool seems quite helpfull. You could probably tell him what's wrong, and he'll probably help you.

Machine,

I did as you state below.

"

Open TES5Edit and load skyrim.esm, update.esm and morrowind_sk.esm.

Then once they are loaded, right click on morrowind_sk.esm and select Add Masters, click on both skyrim.esm and update.esm and select ok. After that, close the window of the program and it will ask if you want to save."

But the window to select the masters is empty.?

It loads them ok but when I right click "Add Masters" the window is empty as stated above.

Am I supposed to run TESVEdit in my Skyrim or Data folder,as I am running it from my desktop.?

Machine,

I did as you state below.

"

Open TES5Edit and load skyrim.esm, update.esm and morrowind_sk.esm.

Then once they are loaded, right click on morrowind_sk.esm and select Add Masters, click on both skyrim.esm and update.esm and select ok. After that, close the window of the program and it will ask if you want to save."

But the window to select the masters is empty.?

It loads them ok but when I right click "Add Masters" the window is empty as stated above.

Am I supposed to run TESVEdit in my Skyrim or Data folder,as I am running it from my desktop.?

Machine,

I did as you state below.

"

Open TES5Edit and load skyrim.esm, update.esm and morrowind_sk.esm.

Then once they are loaded, right click on morrowind_sk.esm and select Add Masters, click on both skyrim.esm and update.esm and select ok. After that, close the window of the program and it will ask if you want to save."

But the window to select the masters is empty.?

It loads them ok but when I right click "Add Masters" the window is empty as stated above.

Am I supposed to run TESVEdit in my Skyrim or Data folder,as I am running it from my desktop.?

Darn! triple post that time.

I got Morrowind to use Skyrim/Update as its master file, but alas, CTD upon loading it. I've also noticed that it cannot clean the Morrowind master file. I might not be cleaning it properly, I've tried to follow the guide on the creation kit wiki, but some of the images are down.


On an unrelated note, I cleaned Update and Dawnguard esms, and noticed my game feels somewhat more stable. My frames don't drop like they used to with Dawnguard.esm.My game loads a lot faster. Only one lockup, in around 2 hours, and I think it had to do with another mod(I disabled it)anyway.
Neato~

I have to admit, I'm getting a little worried about being able to get our master dependent on skyrim.esm.

The last few days I have done different tests and methods in trying to get a working esm with this dependency.

I have already contacted one of the devs from TES5Edit, and he assures me theres nothing in TES5Edit that can cause any kind of problem that he knows about. I'm starting to wonder as to how stable our master is to begin with. It seems fine through the CK and in-game, but every single attempt I have made in trying to make it dependent on another master file, something goes wrong. Could our master file have problems within, or is there possibly some data limit added by beth? Who knows.

I have used gecko, edit, snip, bash, sky and out of all the tools that I have played with, only TES5Edit seemed able to properlly add master dependencies. All the others can change the header, but not re-index all formid's which is very important.

Heres what I have tried.

As Mehh and Shadow tried, I just used TES5Edit and added master dependencies (with or without Update.esm) and it works in the CK fine, but will crash in-game before reaching the menu. If you look at the number of records, it does indeed shrink. But I'm not sure what is missing. If I go back to TES5Edit, I can remove the NPC block and go back in-game and it seems to work, minus the NPCS. 

Some interesting things to note, you will notice Skyrim.esm NPCs all use record data compression, ours does not. Will this be a problem? I don't know.

For another test I thought, why not just use TES5Edit and remove the ESM flag in the header and rename the file to an esp, then load skyrim.esm and the esp in the CK and resave the esp. I did this, but upon reloading in the CK you will get a handle array out of bounds error but eventually loads. If you go in-game all appears to work, until you warp to AND_WrldMorrowind -5-5. The land mass is there, but no buildings, just doors.

I think what we need is a tool that can do some deep cleaning, removing invalid enties, compress data records where it needs it, and maybe it can work. I'm not sure any of the tools at this point can do this yet.

I will keep testing though.

As Mehh and Shadow tried, I just used TES5Edit and added master dependencies (with or without Update.esm) and it works in the CK fine, but will crash in-game before reaching the menu. If I go back to TES5Edit, I can remove the NPC block and go back in-game and it seems to work, minus the NPCS.

This may sound a bit drastic, but if it loads without the npc block, maybe you could split the master into two? One with everything but the npc block, and one with all the npc block stuff. With the npc block alone as its own master file, perhaps you can find out what the hell is wrong with it a lot easier. Even if you do that, who knows what else might be effed up...

I thought of that, but I think the problem may be deeper than that. I believe the CK is still reporting new errors, and I haven't fully tested to see what else could be damaged/missing/corrupted in-game.

I believe the problem lies within the master. Why it works in the first place is a mystery to me.

Right now I'm using Tes5Dump to see what those records were that went missing after we add the dependency in the first place. Maybe its as simple as re-adding those correctly, or fixing them in the first place.

I would like to try to help figure this out,but at this time I can`t even get the darn program to put the masters into the select window when using Add Masters.

Does it only work on Win7.?

@ironman, yes I am using win7.

You sure you got skyrim.esm and update.esm checkboxed in with our master file? In order to add them as masters, it needs to load them aswell.

ironman12345

I would like to try to help figure this out,but at this time I can`t even get the darn program to put the masters into the select window when using Add Masters.

Does it only work on Win7.?

 

Machine

@ironman, yes I am using win7.

You sure you got skyrim.esm and update.esm checkboxed in with our master file? In order to add them as masters, it needs to load them aswell.

Yep,I checked them and clicked "OK",it loads them,giving a long list of errors for our master.

Then I right click morrowind_sk.esm and pick "Add Masters",but the window that pops up is empty.

Thats it.

One thing that has puzzled me for ages is that our master has a TES4 header showing in any editing tool.

I think I will check our master out in my Hex editor,that might even be a way to add the skyrim master too.?

Its not working correctly for you. Hmm, maybe try running it in XP compatibility mode?

I am using XP already Machine.

I'm sorry I have no idea then.

Heh, out of morbid curiousity I tried to use the Oblivirim master file, and had the same issue as the Skywind one. Except the Oblivirim master file took a really long freaking time. I fell asleep waiting.

Also a new version of TES edit came out!
https://code.google.com/p/skyrim-plugin-decoding-project/downloads/list

You proberly needed the sleep Mehh,you work hard here.:)

Thanks for the link,I hope I can get this one to work.

does the new version fix the problem?

Dark_Ansem

does the new version fix the problem?

New version is out!
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859/

Still ctds when adding Skyrim as a master. But hey, at least not it gives us a nice little log when closing the program. I at least think that's new...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQO2S6HDBw

Also a video for people who are new to TES edit. Now you can clean your own shit your self!

heh will try asking in the official forums for the ESM merge system. that is what you need, right?