NAVIGATION MESH Hub - Skywind

Have done all of the "A" interiors and only a about 6 triangle errors so far,and they are not serious ones.

Starting on "B" now.

No interiors crashing on Navmesh?  Wow

It all looks "red" in the navmesh view and I have run then through the advanced navnesh tool with all checks turned on,but before I upload anything they will all be sent through the octimizer stage a couple of times.

There ain`t nothing serious to correct yet imo.

I will do all the [ Z ] interiors.

Status = Still working on them

The CK gives totally random CTD’s when new NAVMesh is rendered.
It is a frustrating job to work around them...

Debugging the NAVMesh is hard work.

If you are unable to navmesh a cell after a couple of tries, you need to keep a list for eloth so he can fix any broken meshes there.

I will be uploading the interior navmeshed "A" files in an archive over the holiday with a text file naming the ones that gave errors or did not mesh.

BTW using recast meshing works better than object or havoc.

Also still working on the Ashlands,it is getting better but still needs a lot of work.

Here a status update on the [ Z ] interiors.
- Finished 13 – 22     ( Incl. NAVMeshes, Optimization, Cover, Finalized )
- 3 Empty worlds      ( No idea why they are empty, or included in master )
- Still 6 to do

SB,

Don`t just pick the interiors randomly because I have started from "A",so working one by one back from "Z" is better.

If you are not using it,use recast,then find the hide spots,then the octimize button before the final button,and any gaps left in the walk paths and ending before steps need filling in with more triangles or stretching.

Then if it saves with no errors there will be less work for eloth to do.

It will take a lot longer [ it is for me] but it will be worth it imo.

Yup, I just don’t like to get pushed.
You work from [ A ] to Z, I will do [ Z ] to A.

Using the optimize button is something I don’t like.
It will make the simplest and smallest of NAVMeshes go broken.
It is strange but it does happen.

When navmeshing smaller internal regions like the camp yurts,in recast window set the region min size to 20 and the merge size to 20 for lager internals use the defaults.

I have only posted this because an error popped up advising me to do it.

Sorry SB,I did not intend that to sound pushy,I only posted it because so far it is working for me.

Sorry again,no offence was intended.

Cutting my way slowly through the internals,but I might have to give up with ashlands external region because it is frankly driving me round the bend.

Once I have done a lot more internals I will give it another go if it still needs it by then.

Finished the interior "A" navmeshing,they will need further checking,but have added a text file to the archive noting the main problem cells.

http://www.mediafire.com/?xaaea5q3fdpl5zy

Starting on "B" now.

Some bad news,I finished B,C,D and E,but then I did a stupid thing,I undated to Windows 8 Pro.

It ported all of my files across from Win 7,but it has corrupted those files,and also messed up my skyrim install and my data folder.

So After re-installing skyrim and all of the skywind related stuff,I am now back to the beginning of B again.:(

Today I finally finished NAVMeshing all the ( 19 ) [ Z ] interiors.
Please download the files below, check the work and merge it into the new master.
I will start on NAVMeshing the [ Y ] interiors.

Skywind NAVMesh Z Interior - 19 Done.esp

NOTE:
I added Navemesh ( Find Cover & Finalized ) + repositioning of the door markers.

All markes are the same as in Morroblivion. Either they are not soo good, or converted static models are lower so you end up above them.

I jump through doors all the time. Why wouldn't you be falling when going through a door!?!

If it turns out that nobody else does, we could try and set all the positions lower for those markers via a script. But can't promise that even if we get them to be very close to the ground you still won't hear a faint fall :( Probably only the CK can guarantee absolute positioning to the ground.

Door markers need to be set correctly or the Navmesh is not going to work. I found that finalizing the Navmesh is impossible if the door marker is not in correct place.

SB is correct,if you try to finalize an interior cell and any of the internal door markers [there are sometimes more than one] are not on a mesh [touching it] then it gives an error until you move the markers into position.

Imo if it has to be touching the ground mesh then getting a finalized cell with no errors should be ok.?

Yes Mehh,that is what I do,but first the marker must be moved over the navmesh as sometimes it is already on the ground but not resting on any mesh.

To move the marker I go out of navmesh mode into normal mode and move the the marker then hit "F" to put in onto the ground in the new position.

Hi! I recently joined the project and I was talking with Trytonlee who recommended taht i come here to help wit interior navmeshing. I am wondering what is done, and what I can still help with. Thanks!

I will update the spreadsheet when I have finished cells A to E and SB will proberlly update his entries later.

It will be at least a couple of days before I get A to E finished but will upload  an esp then.

QWERTY,anything from F up to X is free,but when you have done whatever cells you choose,update the spreadsheet please.

Hey Mehh, your spreadsheet is view only. :)

Here, I'll update the spreadsheet to the best of my knowledge.  It's meant to show what is reserved, not what is completed.

Hey. I talked with Ironman and i am going to start work on F if that's alright.

F is fine QWERTY,the Beth video goes into a lot of hand stuff,but as long as the floor is meshed where the NPC`s can walk and there are no overlapping triangle it should be fine,the main thing is getting the cell to finalize and save without errors.

The Hide spots need checking,but that can be done with one icon click in the navmeshing bar.

I am getting really close to rage quitting.

Have started from A three times and saved after every finalized cell,the CK saves the esp with no errors,but as soon as I reload it after a break while working on the D cells the CK crashes out as soon as I try to continue on the next cell,in fact it refuses to even let me use any of the navmeshing tools from the bar or the top menu.

As soon as I click on the OK in any of the tools the CK just crashes out again.

Does the CK change anything on a re-load of the esp,?,if not then it should just let me continue,my esp is useless if I can`t add to it.

The only way it seems to work is by doing each letter without closing the CK,but that is impossible.

The CK must be totally full of bugs because it works with no errors sometimes,then changes something and becomes useless.

I had the same type of problems when using it for VC way back,it is unreliable.

Can you post your .esp Ironman?

If I were you, I'd try just having a few cells per .esp and then creating a new one every so often.

Does your navmesh in that .esp work ingame?  If so, you're fine.  We just need to merge it and you can start on whatever letter you left off on with a new .esp.

I am very close to a rage quit as well. The CK is having mouse issues at the moment. I can no longer create or relocate the NavMesh points with the same precision as before. For some strange reason the points now jump a set distance.

If you mean,does the game load ok if the A navmeshing esp is ticked,?,then the answer is yes.

So assuming that the CK is not giving me the correct info,I will upload A again for merging and restart on B.

The reason for starting again at B is because,this time I intend to keep all the letters separated,that way the whole esp does not get corrupted.

Wait, no please don't restart!  If the navmesh works in all the cells you did, it WORKS, and can be merged.  Don't do something again if it works ingame.  Just start again in a new esp wherever you left off.

Shadow,sorry I did not explain that properly.

The fact is that I have redone A and it loads into the game.

I restarted from B and got to D with a new esp,but that esp will not let me continue in the CK and does not load into the game.

But you can merge A when I re-upload it as that does not crash the game or the CK.

Sorry for my badly typed post.

Can you upload your broken .esp then?  Perhaps there is a chance we can get it to work using TESV Edit?  I hate to see you lose all of that work.

I could upload the broken esp , but would rather just upload A and then make sure that the others work after re-meshing them.

A is the biggest anyway,so np.

New link to A below:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z0bu409xvumkbv6

OK, here is , my Seyda Neen Interiors ​Navmeshes http://www.mediafire.com/?u4igmh29uibg5o4

Balmora navmeshing link below:

http://www.mediafire.com/?bay42bt7mnxkr6z

And Barfell :

http://www.mediafire.com/?dfmlkj6ey963i9x

Sorry guys, I have been REALLY sick for the past week and really busy with school before that. I have gotten NOTHING done, except install Skywind and get the map working. I read a bit about this ESP problem, but i'm not quite sure What's going on. Would somebody please key me in?

anyway, hello, I have come to try and not make things worse.  I have figured out that my web filter is preventing me from posting to this forum from my desktop by blocking the Captcha server communication.  I am hoping someone here will tell me that will go away after I have ### number of posts, as if not, this may be a bit difficult not being able to post from the system I am working from, but oh well, when was life ever easy?

I have started with the letter K, I only assigned myself one cell as a place holder, until I actually start working, then I will put my ID next to all the letter K cells.

I put up a message in the introductions section with some details about my setup, that may or may not be relevant to my helping out.

I have a small amount of experience with NavMeshing, but have enjoyed what I have done and dearly miss Morrowind, I've also watched a few youtube tutorials to figure out some other parts of NavMeshing.  I've reworked a few other people's mods and fixed the occasional pathing issue in the world space I came across in game.

I do have one question, anyone know how to move a single Nav Vertex node up/vertically?  I know how to drop it to the "floor", but how do you get it out of the floor when it is stuck underneath?  I have just been deleting it and recreating the triangle to resolve.

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pay no attention to the idiot behind the keyboard...

To move something up and down ( press / hold "Z" button ).

once in NavMesh editing the controls are mostly different, you have to turn navmesh on or off to even select a normal object (at least the couple times I tried I failed when I forgot to turn off navmeshing.

the "Z" "X" "C" to move things along forced dimensions no longer works once in NavMesh mode, I'll happily try again though :)

any other thoughts?

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Again, ignore the idiot behind the keyboard, I think I may have had the test popup window open and it was not letting me do anything, but I doubt it.  Could just be stupidity  :)

i dont think there is a function to raise vertices if they are under something

The rest of the B cells excluding Balmora.:

http://www.mediafire.com/?rpcpnggxi818haz

Link below for the C cells:

http://www.mediafire.com/?rqv5vkk89orl46p

Dang it! Posted something about navmeshing then I see this forum post...

ok, so I have finished a few cells, going in order, there were several "huts" and "shacks" that went pretty easy, so I do have a question that is not about how to use the Creation Kit  :)

how important is it for underwater Vertex nodes to be right on the bottom? can they float a bit of the bottom, as the NPCs should swim over them anyway?  I've been getting it very close to exactly on the bottom/ground of the underwater areas (current cell I am on is an underwater cave system, lots of fun).

also, I came across a test cell, kenstesthole, and two empty cells; however I believe that one at least is obviously an external cell name, Khuul, as most of the shacks under "K" start with Khuul{somebody's shack}, also Khartag Point, which sounds very external.  Not sure if those need to be changed/updated/removed or not, but I thought I would point them out.

Is there still a need for exterior NavMeshing?  I know we have a bit longer to finish the interior, and I saw some older posts about the exterior, just not much on the interior.