Daedric Shrines ideas for cluttering

Really like the ideas.

When it comes to Sheo - instead of dremora lord point something silly point is something we could all discuss. I mean - the more the better. I think we could create a special illness which would have some crazy effects and/or could be cured in some weird way (for example the only place where you could find a cure is another sheo shrines. And/or the "medicine" has a chance to actually be the potion or instead - be poison that would make the sickness even worse. Or sometimes the dremora is summoned but theres a chance it wont be dremora, only some very weak and "strange" oponnent. Stuff like that.

Well anyway - keep up the great work :)

firewolx

• Dinner party in one of the interiors?

Ald Daedroh is supposed to have a dinner party as part of an ashlander quest. It's where Ra'Gruzgob lives!

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I think we could create a special illness which would have some crazy effects and/or could be cured in some weird way (for example the only place where you could find a cure is another sheo shrines 

"Cured? You speak as if they are diseased. They live now in another state of being. Perhaps it is you who needs a cure."

-Haskill

Anyway, I thought of an idea for one of the Mania devoted shrines, in which there is splashes of different colored paint all over the walls, sort of like how the Reiklings have paint in the patchwork airship in Dragonborn (But not grey):
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Sorry if this is dumb, but you said there are 36 shrine interiors, but then your more detailed list mentions 33. 9 + 9 + 8 + 7 = 33, not 36. Sorry if I'm nitpicking, but I was just confused.

 

Were the Mythic Dawn prominent at all in Morrowind? If they aren't, then maybe Mythic Dawn clothing/banners might not be a good idea.

I agree with Zero. The Mythic Dawn were not active in Morrowind as far as we know, and have always been rather secretive. Even if there were a few members in Vvardenfell (which would be a cool Easter Egg), their sanctuary would be better hidden than one of the many daedric ruins that dot the countryside.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Mythic_Dawn

Eh, honestly, if Beth had though of the Mythic Dawn when Morrowind was out, I'm sure they would have made an appearance.

Considering it was the Mythic Dawn who opened the oblivion gates, and there were quite a few opened in Morrowind, I think it would be safe to assume they would have some presence in Morrowind (But likely small and hidden, in one or two of the shrines) They were in every province of tamriel, and would disguise themselves as regular people when leaving their shrines, like they did in Oblivion, and then bound their armor when attacking. But also they were not the only Dagon cult, but still an influential and powerful one, so I wouldn't make every Dagon shrine Mythic Dawn.

As far as I know, the daedric shrines in Morrowind are not all part of one big cult, but various fragmented cults. I think it would be cool if at least one shrine were Mythic Dawn, but it should be far better hidden than your run-of-the-mill Dagon worshipers. The Dawn are smart, powerful, and secretive and should be displayed as such. Could make for a fun higher-level dungeon. ;)

Going back to Sheogorath, if we have some kind of "illness" of mad things happening maybe it could be in the form of Greenmote found at the altar in one of the ruins as a "blessing" by Sheogorath

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Greenmote

 

 

This is very exciting, I love what I'm seeing here. We have lots of assets we can use to give each shrine a distinct feel, as well as custom models that could be made. For now, just be creative and unique. The feed back is very good so far. 

Wierd sheogorath creature? Cheese atronach!

Twisted Logic

As far as I know, the daedric shrines in Morrowind are not all part of one big cult, but various fragmented cults. I think it would be cool if at least one shrine were Mythic Dawn, but it should be far better hidden than your run-of-the-mill Dagon worshipers. The Dawn are smart, powerful, and secretive and should be displayed as such. Could make for a fun higher-level dungeon. ;)

This please. If we're going to put them in, maybe just one or two shrines, and as Twisted Logic has already said, they should be well hidden.

I hope you're duplicating your Skyrim forms before adding them. When I was fixing up fire sound effects, I noticed someone was using Skyrim forms for their torches. =p I cleaned up up by duplicating them and replacing them.

Well, if you forget, if we ever decide to convert Skywind to another game, it'll not be converted over. You'll also make Zilav sad. =p

Promising stuff.

As for any other landscaping, cluttering work, please make sure you read intensively about the location you're changing to make sure you don't remove items necessary for a quest (eg: uesp.net). Or you will make me sad.

firewolx

An example of an interior that has been MolagBal-ified with before and after picks can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/xcj95#0

I'm working on Kushtashpi, one of the Molag Bal shrines, and trying to implement some of the ideas from the OP.

I'm using a blue-ish Lighting template like the one shown in the link above, but I can't figure out how to change the color of the animated flames in the braziers. I notice that the type of brazier has been changed in the blue-toned images, but I cant find those with blue flames in the CK either.

Does anyone know how to change the color of the flames to blue?

I want to see this not like small shrines, but as big, pompous and ancient religious centers.
It shouldn't be filled with many pilgrims, but it could have great altars, filled with geological amounts of donated gifts and offerings.

So, Molag Bal shrine may be cluttered with layers of bones of killed victims, some of they can be living, contained in cages, hanging on the walls and under ceiling. Common colorgems (rubys, emeralds) on altar should be replaced with soulgems with souls of ancient creatures and heroes.
Malacath shrine's altar and it's walls could be incrusted with bones, and skulls as offering.
Mehrunes Dagon ..erm can be filled with blood or smth.
Sheogorath >Instead of summoning a Dremora lord when you pick a cursed item from the altar, something silly can happen.

Isak, I think a new model would be required for that.  To change the color of the bulb double click light>edit base>color.  Change those settings or select color from palette.

Alysander, I like your vision for the daedric shrines.  I'd like to make some of the important ones larger to fit what you describe I've been toying with the tileset and I think with a few additional architecture pieces and assets something like that would be possible.

how do you decorate something with rape?

-snip-

^ best question ever asked

iceflame542

Going back to Sheogorath, if we have some kind of "illness" of mad things happening maybe it could be in the form of Greenmote found at the altar in one of the ruins as a "blessing" by Sheogorath

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Greenmote

 

 

as for Shogorath. We need something the shows off his Realm and way of thinking. Both Maina and dementia.

So we need something beautiful but evil. For example like a rose. Roses are beautiful but they have thorns.

but to a more extreme.

" I'm so happy I could just tear out your intestines and strangle you with them!"

we could have fun with Sheogorath. Considering in elder scrolls online he has a cheese realm of Oblivion to himself. 

oh did i mention he is Obsessed with cheese? 

 

I'm planning to make Sheogorath shines not as childish as they might have been by making them the Morrowind version of a Dionysian cult.  So sex excess, revelry, drug use and drinking - altered states of consciousness.  All this is left at the door, the censars break the spell of madness when you leave, but inside its a trip.  I've shown this by the items I've placed inside but also via the atmosphere.  Bright colors whispy shadows and lights flowing around and weird particles of light etc.  I'd like to add sounds like ghostly laughter or other unreal sounds to flesh it out.  Sure it could be goofy like chickens running around and people wearing strange clothes or being naked, but I'd like it to be comically mature (animal house?).

> how do you decorate something with rape?
= Simplest answer of 10 :

I don't think it should be a love show, more "recklessly uninhibited; unrestrained; undisciplined; frenzied; orgiastic."  All the Sheogorath interiors should showcase extreme behavior.  Also, as a general observation, why are the most offensive, irrelevant, stupid posts getting the most upvotes.  The karmic irony hasnt been lost on me.

You're describing Sanguine more than Sheogorath.  Hedonism and drugs aren't Sheo's sphere, madness is.  The mentally deranged.  Psychopaths, schizophrenics and people with dementia, OCD or PTSD.

After reading your comment I realized that I was making a whole lot of assumptions about Sheograth so I reviewed what is posted on UESP: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sheogorath#Cultural_Madness

Sheogorath strikes me as a trickster character who both tests and exorcizes psychic weaknesses and after the following notes I think lore supports my interpretation of Sheogorath very strongly.  Sheogorath was once the Prince of Order but is now Prince of Madness (chaos) which mirrors Apollonian and Dionysian themes i previously mentioned:

• The Blessings of Sheogorath, a prayer amongst Sheogorath worshippers, asserts that without Sheogorath, "all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting".
• They praise him because it is Sheogorath "who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection".

"The Chimer revered Sheogorath in their ancient ancestral worship.^[13][22] However, when the Tribunal Temple took power in Morrowind, Sheogorath, as well as Mehrunes Dagon, Malacath, and Molag Bal, became known as one of the "Four Corners of the House of Troubles" to the Dunmer. He is said to have rebelled against the Tribunal, and this is why worship of Sheogorath became punishable by death.^{[22][nb 6]} Nevertheless, Vivec apparently made an agreement with Sheogorath to protect his people from madness, an agreement the Dunmer must occasionally renew by performing the Pilgrimages of the Four Corners. Sheogorath's shrines were abandoned, but many have remained standing into modern times.^[23] Legends say Daedra Lords such as Sheogorath built the great shrines themselves because mortals could not build anything grand enough to suit them.^[7]" -uesp

• Dunmer believe Sheogorath tests them for psychological weakness.
• Sheogorath is one of the many prominent Daedric Princes in Khajiiti culture.^[13] To them, he is "Sheggorath", the Skooma Cat (for nothing is madder than a cat on skooma).^[26]

Is Sheogorath worship legal atm?  Are the Shrines active or abandoned?  Are pilgrimages still being made to these shrines and if so what activity is taking place there?  I also do not think his realm only relates to schizophrenics and psychopaths.  It is madness as a general term and, in lore, it is a kind of madness one that can effect anyone.

The current Sheogorath shrines already feature mind altering potions on the alters as one of the few ways they are differentiated from the other daedric shrines.  For that reason I think it is suitable to continue cluttering other shrines with obj of similar theme.  To avoid confusion with the Sanguin's daedric realm as mentioned by Smitehammer, sexually charged themes should be avoided in favor of crazier antics.

If the shrines are still active I think it would be great to have pilgrims participating in incredibly outrageous antics, downing all manner of mind altering substances and worshiping Sheogorath in an effort to rid themselves of lingering madness in a cult-like spectacle.   This would be much more fun than shrines full of muttering confused people or immediately hostile NPC.  For example in one shrine we could have seating areas with NPCs huddled around and very paranoid or crying while the rest is a party and a couple people who simply run around and screaming punching people at random but eliciting no response.  Some of that would require changing the way AI initially reacts to the player, but it'd be SO much more interesting!

@Sasquatch Are all those questions before relating to the time period of Morrowind? (Like are the shrines active when Morrowind is set?) Because if so, (if I remember correctly) there is a quest for the Tribunal Temple faction to renew the House of Troubles thingy you mentioned before. Kinda strikes me as odd now I think about it, as in the vanilla game Daedra worship is very much looked down upon, and any 'pilgrims' to the shrines are in there worshiping in secret because of it. So Daedra worship=not really legal, shrines are still active due to 'ilicit' activity and I don't think pilgrims rally go around them, they just live in there if that makes sense.

@Aurabelle Yeah, that's what I was wondering.  I played Morrowind a lot years ago, but much less recently so I've forgotten many of those details.  I think those in the shrines having to be there worshipping in secret supports the idea of walking in on really bizarre cult-like spectacle, especially in Sheogorath shrines.

Sheogorath protects the insane at his shrines.  He finds their madness and unique outlooks on life endearing.  The greatest sin in Sheogorath's eyes is to be boring.  'Normal' is boring.  

Think of the folks who lived in Shivering Isles - these are the types of characters that would be found at his shrines, for Sheogorath would draw them to him.  

The orc that thinks he is a Khajiit is a perfect example.  

Others, fleshed out and not inmediately attacking the player could include a paranoid man who thinks the emperor himself  is using telekinesis to spy on him, a pyromaniac who keeps lighting his fingers on fire, a woman raising an ash-yam as a baby, a 'knight' weilding a soup spoon and wearing a bowl on his head as a helmet, two different guys SURE they are actually Vivec and arguing over which one is the real Vivec, a woman obsessed with calendars, someone who is tormented by having the 'Cliffracer Fly' song stuck in his head for eternity, an Argonian that only ever says 'Ribbit', a refined high-born lady convinced that a boorish and lewd sot of a man named Wimbledorf lives in her finger.

 

Dude.  Yes.

Sasquatch

After reading your comment I realized that I was making a whole lot of assumptions about Sheograth so I reviewed what is posted on UESP: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sheogorath#Cultural_Madness

Sheogorath strikes me as a trickster character who both tests and exorcizes psychic weaknesses and after the following notes I think lore supports my interpretation of Sheogorath very strongly.  Sheogorath was once the Prince of Order but is now Prince of Madness (chaos) which mirrors Apollonian and Dionysian themes i previously mentioned:

• The Blessings of Sheogorath, a prayer amongst Sheogorath worshippers, asserts that without Sheogorath, "all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting".
• They praise him because it is Sheogorath "who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection".

"The Chimer revered Sheogorath in their ancient ancestral worship.^[13][22] However, when the Tribunal Temple took power in Morrowind, Sheogorath, as well as Mehrunes Dagon, Malacath, and Molag Bal, became known as one of the "Four Corners of the House of Troubles" to the Dunmer. He is said to have rebelled against the Tribunal, and this is why worship of Sheogorath became punishable by death.^{[22][nb 6]} Nevertheless, Vivec apparently made an agreement with Sheogorath to protect his people from madness, an agreement the Dunmer must occasionally renew by performing the Pilgrimages of the Four Corners. Sheogorath's shrines were abandoned, but many have remained standing into modern times.^[23] Legends say Daedra Lords such as Sheogorath built the great shrines themselves because mortals could not build anything grand enough to suit them.^[7]" -uesp

• Dunmer believe Sheogorath tests them for psychological weakness.
• Sheogorath is one of the many prominent Daedric Princes in Khajiiti culture.^[13] To them, he is "Sheggorath", the Skooma Cat (for nothing is madder than a cat on skooma).^[26]

Is Sheogorath worship legal atm?  Are the Shrines active or abandoned?  Are pilgrimages still being made to these shrines and if so what activity is taking place there?  I also do not think his realm only relates to schizophrenics and psychopaths.  It is madness as a general term and, in lore, it is a kind of madness one that can effect anyone.

The current Sheogorath shrines already feature mind altering potions on the alters as one of the few ways they are differentiated from the other daedric shrines.  For that reason I think it is suitable to continue cluttering other shrines with obj of similar theme.  To avoid confusion with the Sanguin's daedric realm as mentioned by Smitehammer, sexually charged themes should be avoided in favor of crazier antics.

If the shrines are still active I think it would be great to have pilgrims participating in incredibly outrageous antics, downing all manner of mind altering substances and worshiping Sheogorath in an effort to rid themselves of lingering madness in a cult-like spectacle.   This would be much more fun than shrines full of muttering confused people or immediately hostile NPC.  For example in one shrine we could have seating areas with NPCs huddled around and very paranoid or crying while the rest is a party and a couple people who simply run around and screaming punching people at random but eliciting no response.  Some of that would require changing the way AI initially reacts to the player, but it'd be SO much more interesting!

he has a whole region in Morrowind named after him. What Sheogorath needs is trickery. Make it look like one thing but its really something else. Maybe the shrine should include some optical illusions around it. Confuse the player with it instead of making them think "oh this is ment to be insanity" make the player feel the insanity. 


Oblivion really was the sheogorath game. Look at his shrine in oblivion and even his artifacts.   For example there is a staff you cant get rid of unless someone else takes it willingly, a scamp always follows the person who currently possess the staff. Sheo gets Laughs from things like that. Look at the wabbajack it turns animals into other animals and makes it rain cats and dogs!   

Sheogorath is childish but he also has a devilish side to him. Even in elder scrolls online they state That you were lucky for meeting sheogorath and you didn't come back disfigured, with a tail or even inside out. He has a really REALLY twisted humor to him.

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^ just for an idea of insanity...

I would LOVE to commit all my spare time working on the shrine area for Sheogorath. He is my favorite lore character in the entire series. Even his personality fit with mine, or at least anyone else who thinks its funny to cause chaos and confusion. Getting a laugh from other misfortune and confusion. 

Sheogorath should spawn lethal rabbits when you take something from the shrine. Or spawn a large pile of gold. Use the exploding chickens mod for sheogorath (with the developers permission of course)

Bosmer woman who speaks in rhyming iambic heptameter, Khajiit who challenges his shadow to duels, Redguard who wants to be a serial killer but is too afraid of blood, a Breton woman 'chef' obsessed with making the perfect mud pie, an orc woman who moved to Vvardenfell to escape those shifty scheming murderous birds - she knows they're up to something.

Love those ideas Smitehammer! :D

Sasquatch

Isak, I think a new model would be required for that.  To change the color of the bulb double click light>edit base>color.  Change those settings or select color from palette.

Thanks, yes I've got the bulbs changed, but it just looks a bit silly with an orange flame emanating a blue light, so I was hoping that maybe the OP had been using an existing model, or that I could change the color easily somehow. But I'll look into how to make a new model.

Sorry about reviving an old thread, I do like the ideas being thrown around here, and would definitely like the shrines to have a more coherent theme 'feel' to them, than they have in the original Morrowind. OTOH, I think focus should be on moving towards a working build, so I'll try to implement as much of the above as is currently possible, and then the ideas can always be elaborated upon later.

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Thanks for update.  Adding a link to a updated WIP sheet on the navmesh and cluttering section accessible to contributors would help keep track of progress across the board.  I'll update the most current sheet with the shrines I've been working on.

@Isak

The brazier you are looking for is:

"01WRBrazierBowl01"

Architecture\WhiteRun\WRClutter\WRBrazierBowl01.nif

It's under skyrim data.

I'm not seeing any added clutter in these interiors so I'd like someone else to check them to see if something is wrong on my end.  The changed lights are there but no clutter. AshalmawiaSunkenShrine is one that I know should have a cage and skeleton on lower area that should be easy to check.  If it isnt there hopefully firewolx can be contacted to leave us the latest version of his work.

Thanks for the info firevolx, that is very useful indeed.

@Sasquatch, thanks, I'll be implementing that brazier.

As for the AshalmawiaSunkenShrine, I see the cage with 2 skeletons and a corpse, which looks like what firevolx posted in the image some posts above this, so I think the file is ok. But if you don't see it, I can only guess it could be because you are loading the full Skyrim.esm file, instead of the stripped one that I found a link to in this post.

Before I started using that, I also had the problem that my work didn't get saved properly, and random objects would go missing when loading .esp files, so I highly recommend backing up the full skyrim.esm, and loading this one in the CK instead.

I'm not sure how creative we can be, but if you're asking for ideas can I assume we can be pretty off the walls, In which case; it would be pretty cool to see a corridor that as you walk through, the room slowly turns upside down (like that out of Zelda, I think it was Ocarina of Time). Another thing you could add could be like things you find near the shrine but changed and deformed in crazy ways. Last idea, if there are NPC's (if possible), it would be cool have their shoes on their hands and vice versa.

And if it's supposed to be more like an exact recreation I apologize :pp