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Skywind Game Mechanic ideas

Hail and welcome to the game mechanics Hub!

Yes finally we are going to start working on game mechanics for Skywind, and I'm filling vary peachy about it . But before we start I think it might be an idea to put down some ground rules.

-Ground Rules-

this thread is not about Elderscroll transportation to Skywind from Skyrim or any transportation from Skyrim to Skywind for that matter.
this is not a thread for disputing over the fact that armor will be split up into parts. End of story on that matter
lastly this thread is NOT and I mean absolutely positively NOT and I mean that with full 100% notness (if that's a word :P ) about an Elderscroll that transports the adoring fan into Skywind (I really hate the guy).

(most of these aren't game mechanics anyway )

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-Ideas Are Allowed-

Alright so this thread is essentially for people who plan to help out with working on the Skywind game mechanics, but also people may suggest ideas for Skywind on this thread. Also you are allowed to suggest mod's that we might be able to use but KEEP IT WITHIN THE RULES. that being said please no extensive debating over ideas so we can keep this thread as clean as possible (take it to the public chat if you don't like something).

When you are suggesting a mod please post a video of the mod so we can check the quality but if we don't get permission for a better one then the one you suggested then we would gladly use what you have, (also there might be a better mod out there that does the same thing so keep that in mind!). WE DO NOT STEAL MODS so do not suggest that we do so!

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-Those Who Wish To Help-

Who ever wants to help can pm or pivate chat with Aurabelle. we will give you some ideas on what you might want to work on and you can choose what you want to work on from the selection, or you can suggest an idea on what you want to work on.

For those who want to help making the mechanics you will need to know at least a little papyrus and have to know your way around the CK, We also need people who know C++. If there are any mod's that you have worked on in the past then you can suggested them. It would really help us out if we could use some stuff that's already made.

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-List Of diffrences-

Here's a list of the differences between recent elders scrolls games.

General

Altars/Shrines	Altars require an offering of between 0-35 gold pieces to receive a blessing, dependent upon player rank in the shrine's associated faction. Blessings vary from each altar, but you can always be cured of diseases and poisons by using them.	Altars can be used for free, though a large number of them require that you have visited a wayshrine for that deity. If your Infamy is greater than your Fame, you cannot use altars, except for some found in add-ons.	Altars can be used for free, but bonuses from multiple altars no longer stack. Furthermore, since Skyrim abandons the "fame/infamy" system of Oblivion, you are not limited in your ability to use altars in this way.

Attributes	Your race, and to a lesser extent, your class, determine your starting attributes like Strength and Speed. These can be increased on level up.		Strength, Speed, and the other six primary attributes from previous games no longer exist—there are only three attributes now: Health, Magicka, and Stamina. All races start with 100 in each attribute, with the exception of Altmer, who start with 150 magicka

Beast Races	Argonians and Khajiit in Morrowind cannot wear any kind of shoes or boots, or full helmets; helmets which do not obscure the face can still be worn.	There are no restrictions on what you may wear based on race.

Birthsigns	You choose a birthsign at character creation that gives your character special abilities. This cannot be changed.	You choose a birthsign at character creation that gives your character special abilities. This cannot be changed. In addition, you may use a birthsign stone to grant an additional power, similar to the birthsign abilities, which can be changed but you may only have the power of one birthsign stone at a time.	Standing stones replace traditional birthsigns and grant corresponding powers, which you may change at any time. With the Aetherial Crown ^(DG), two powers can be active at once.

Clothing Options	You can wear armor and plain clothing at the same time.	You cannot wear both armor and plain clothing at the same time. In other words, you can't wear a shirt under a cuirass or pants under greaves.

Container Capacity	Most chests and containers can hold no more than 100 lbs.	Chests and containers have no storage limit.	Most containers have no storage limit; however, there are mannequins, bookshelves, and weapon and shield racks and plaques which can contain a fixed number of items.

Cursed Items	Morrowind contains a few cursed items. If you pick up one of these items, it causes a creature to spawn nearby and attack; most frequently this is a powerful Dremora Lord.	In Oblivion, the name "cursed items" applies to items that you can reverse-pickpocket onto NPCs and cause damage to them. The term also applies to the Staff of the Everscamp, but technically it is a quest item.	In Skyrim, the only cursed item is the Cursed Ring of Hircine, which automatically equips itself and forces you to randomly transform if you are a werewolf.

Discussion Topics	Most NPCs have a large list of topics you can speak with them about, but with many generic responses. However, some NPCs have some unique dialogue.	There are far fewer topics you may discuss with NPCs, but nearly all NPCs have unique dialogue and dialogue is nearly always personal and individualized.

Diseases	There are three types of diseases, requiring three different cures. One of these, corprus, is unique to the main quest.	There is only one class of disease, so one type of potion or a spell can cure all the diseases you may contract. The exception is Vampirism, which can only be cured through a lengthy quest. You can only contract Vampirism once—if you are cured of it, you can never become a vampire again.	There is only one class of disease, so one type of potion can cure all the diseases you may contract. The exceptions are Vampirism and Lycanthropy, the latter of which can only be cured through a lengthy process. You can only become a werewolf once—if you are cured of it, you can never become one again. This is changed with the Dawnguard add-on.^(DG) You can become a vampire as often as you want.

Enemy Scaling	Creatures do not scale to your level; their stats are fixed.	Most enemies will be level-dependent, and will be more powerful when you are a higher level. Different and more powerful variations of enemies appear at higher levels.	Most enemies will be level-dependent, and will be more powerful when you are a higher level. Most enemies have a level range, restricting their leveling to minimum and maximum levels.

Fatigue	Running and jumping drain your Fatigue. Low fatigue lowers your chances of successfully accomplishing any task that requires a roll (hitting enemies in combat, casting spells, persuasion, etc).	Your fatigue no longer drains while you are running. Running only slows the rate at which fatigue regenerates. Fatigue also no longer influences the effectiveness of spellcasting.	Jumping, running, and standard attacks will not drain your stamina, but sprinting, using power attacks, and blocking will. Your stamina has no effect on spellcasting or combat chances.

Item Scaling	Most of the rare items in the game are available at any time, even level one. Random loot is leveled. All rewards in the form of gold, artifacts and items are level-independent, and therefore fixed.	Most loot in the game is leveled—don't expect to see the best stuff until you are a high level.

Moving Objects	Any item must be moved from your inventory, but on the PC version, an item can be picked up by opening the menus and left-clicking it, then moved non-dynamically.	Items can be freely moved and manipulated outside of your inventory using an allocated button.

NPC Audio	NPCs have random greetings, but few dialogues are voiced.	NPC dialogue is completely voiced, so reading is optional.

NPC Protection	There are essential NPCs, which can be killed, but doing so relays a message that "the thread of prophecy has been broken" and says to reload or "continue in this doomed world". There are many generic NPCs who respawn, such as guards, and there is also one named respawning NPC: Din.	There are essential NPCs which cannot be killed. Essential NPCs have a crown for a talk icon. There are also respawning NPCs, most of whom are generic but several of whom are named.	There are two levels of protection, neither can be easily spotted. Essential NPCs cannot be killed, but can be knocked unconscious. Protected NPCs, upon losing a large amount of health, will kneel down and all enemies will disengage combat with them; however, they can be killed by you or certain damage sources. All followers are Protected. Some NPCs respawn, most of which are generic, but carriage drivers and a few others are named. Children cannot be harmed at all.

NPC Schedules	With very few exceptions, NPCs always stay in one place or in a small area. Stores do not close at night.	NPCs have dynamic schedules, so they may move around town, go to the chapel, go to work, or be sleeping at any given time of day. A small number of NPCs travel to different cities periodically. Most stores are closed at night, and buildings locked.

Owning Property	As a high-level member of a Great House, you can build a stronghold. You can also acquire two player homes in Bloodmoon. You are also given a small house during the main quest.	You can buy houses of your own in Oblivion.	You can buy houses of your own in Skyrim. NPCs who have a high disposition for you will often allow you to take some of their less valuable items and even sleep in their beds. Upon marrying someone, you will share ownership on all of your spouse's property. With Hearthfire installed, you can build your own home and customize it with numerous furnishing options.

Physics	No item/ragdoll physics.	Havok Physics introduced, adding ragdoll and item physics to the world. Living NPC Ragdoll physics was somewhat flawed however, NPCs would sometimes teleport back up if pushed over a railing for example.	Havok physics retained and improved, especially for living NPC ragdolls. Ragdolls, even living ones will now fall and act like they're supposed to. In addition, fall damage is less forgiving than in the previous two games, falls that would result in barely a scratch in previous games will now severely injure or even kill you. Interestingly, fall damage is not applied right away, but rather just before the NPC in question would get back up.

Sleeping and Waiting	You can sleep at any time in the wilderness, provided there are no enemies around and you are on solid ground. You must sleep to level up.	You can wait at any time in the wilderness, provided there are no enemies around and you are on solid ground. You cannot sleep in owned beds, however waiting now provides all the same restorative effects as sleeping. You must sleep to level up.	You can wait at any time, provided there are no enemies around, you are not trespassing and you are on solid ground. You can level up at any time—waiting/sleeping isn't required. Sleeping in a proper bed grants you a temporary increase in experience gained unless you're a werewolf.

Speechcraft	Increasing disposition is purely skill-based. It is always possible to increase an NPC's disposition to 100. There is no maximum disposition from admiring. You can taunt NPCs into attacking you.	Increasing disposition is controlled by a mini-game that gets easier as your Speechcraft increases. NPCs have a maximum disposition that increases with your Personality.	The Speechcraft skill has been combined with Mercantile into the skill Speech. You can increase an NPC's disposition by doing quests for them, and decrease it by harming or stealing from them.

Swimming	When you are underwater, a meter shows how much air you have left before you begin to take health damage. You can avoid swimming with Waterwalking spells or enchantments.		There is no visible air meter when underwater. Waterwalking is available in Dragonborn as a potion and enchantment and as a Vampire Lord ability in Dawnguard.

wimming and combat	Weapons and spells (Touch & Self) can be used while swimming. In particular, the Swift Swim spell effect is useful for moving around underwater.	Melee weapons and spells (Touch & Self) can be used while swimming. Ranged weapons can be used, but have extremely limited range in water.	No weapons or spells of any kind can be used while swimming, though the Cloak spells can be used to attack enemies in the water if cast beforehand.

Vampirism	If you are a vampire, most NPCs (excluding the Mages Guild and House Telvanni) will not speak with you. Guards will attack you on sight. There is only one stage of vampirism. Feeding is not possible in the traditional sense, but rather through a lesser power. You do not regenerate health while resting. You will take damage from the sun, and may die if you can't find shelter.	If you become a vampire, you will no longer be hunted by guards and only shunned by townsfolk in late stages of vampirism. Vampirism occurs in stages depending on when you last fed; higher stages have greater strengths and weaknesses. As in Morrowind, the sun damages and can kill you.	In early stages, NPCs do little more than comment on your health. At later stages, some will refuse to talk to you^{[verification needed — see talk page]}, while others will attack you on sight. As before, Vampirism progresses the longer you go without feeding. Sunlight reduces your attributes and nullifies their regeneration rate, but can't kill you on its own. With the Dawnguard add-on you will not be attacked for being a vampire and you can acquire the ability to transform into a Vampire Lord.^(DG)

I'll fix the finny windows on this section soon!

Alchemy

	Morrowind Alchemy	Oblivion Alchemy	Skyrim Alchemy
Creation Failure	At all times, you can fail at making a potion: a higher Alchemy skill and a full fatigue bar reduces this chance.	You can only make potions if you have two or more ingredients with matching effects. Only revealed effects will work. Creation failure is not possible at all.	So long as you know the recipes, you cannot fail to make a potion. You can experiment with ingredients, but if none of their effects match, you will fail to make the potion, and the ingredients are consumed.
Potion Weight	Potion weight is determined by the average weight of the ingredients.		All potions weigh 0.5 regardless of ingredient weight.
Detrimental Potions	Potions with negative effects can be consumed by you, but you will be affected by the positive and/or negative effects. They cannot be used as poisons on NPCs/creatures.	A potion with only negative effects is a poison and can be applied to a weapon to give it extra effects. Any positive effects in the mix will prevent creating a poison. You cannot drink poison.	Whether a mix creates a potion or a poison is determined by the most powerful effect. Potions may contain negative effects, or poisons positive ones. You cannot drink poison.
Mega-Potions	Potion strength is potentially much greater. For more on this, see the Morrowind glitches page.	Your potions are much weaker than previously. This, combined with the fact that Intelligence no longer governs potion strength, means it is no longer possible to create "mega-potions".	It is once again possible to make "mega-potions" through a process described here.
Ingredient Limits	You may use from 2 to 4 ingredients to make a potion.	You may use from 2 to 4 ingredients, but the Master level perk allows you to make potions and poisons from just 1 ingredient.	You may use 2 or 3 ingredients to make a potion or poison.
Potion Limits	There is no restriction on the number of potions you can drink at one time.	You can drink only four potions at once.	You can drink as many potions at once as you want, though certain effects (notably Fortify Skill) will not stack.
Equipment	Potions can be made at any time, anywhere, provided you have at least a Mortar and Pestle. The quality of your various alchemy apparatus determines the strength of the potion in addition to your skill and attributes.		Potions must be made at designated Alchemy Labs. There is no other equipment, and potion/poison strength is determined solely by your skills, perks, and enchantments.
Potion Strength	Potion strength is determined by your Alchemy skill and your Intelligence and Luck attributes.	Potion strength is determined by your Alchemy skill and, to some extent, your Luck. Fortify Alchemy effects can be found and created in-game, but are ineffective due to a bug.	Potion strength is determined by your Alchemy skill, Fortify Alchemy enchantments, and Alchemy perks.
Undiscovered Effects	You can make potions with the undiscovered effects of ingredients. New effects are revealed as your Alchemy skill increases.	You can only make potions with the effects you know about. New effects are revealed as your Alchemy skill increases.	You can learn the first effect of an ingredient by eating it (or more effects with the appropriate Alchemy perks selected). You can also make potions with the undiscovered effects of ingredients to reveal new effects. Recipes can be read but the effect is only revealed after making the potion.

Combat

	Morrowind Combat	Oblivion Combat	Skyrim Combat
Armor Weights	Three weights of armor are available: light, medium, and heavy. Unarmored is also a skill, and can be viable protection.	Only two armor weights are present in-game: light and heavy.
Armor and Weapon Condition	Armor and weapon condition will degrade as the items are used. When the condition reaches 0 (out of total equipment health, say 800), the item is broken and cannot be used. The player can repair them or pay a blacksmith to have them repaired.	Armor and weapon condition will degrade as the items are used. When the condition reaches 0 (out of 100%), the item is broken and cannot be used. The player can repair them or pay a blacksmith to have them repaired. The Armorer skill can also temper to 125% at high skill levels.	Armor and weapons do not degrade or break, but can be improved.
Attack Types	There are three types of attack: chop, slash, and thrust. These are controlled by standing still, moving sideways, or moving backwards/forwards respectively while pressing the attack key.	There is only one type of attack initially, but other "power attacks" are learned as a player's skill with a type of weapon increases.	Normal attacks and "power attacks" are open to everyone, and certain perks unlock special power attacks.
Blocking	Blocking with a shield happens automatically, depending on your Block skill.	The block button triggers blocking. Blocking may be performed with shield, hands, or a weapon.	Holding down the off-hand button triggers blocking if holding a shield, a two-handed weapon, or a single one-handed weapon.
Chance to Hit	You may miss an enemy entirely depending on your fatigue, their/your luck, their armor, their/your attributes, and your weapon skill.	You always hit an enemy (or their shield) when you attack (if the weapon is in range), their armor and skill affect only how much damage you do.
Enemy Pursuit	Enemies will not pursue you into or out of buildings or dungeons.	Many enemies can pass through doors, and usually pursue you for a long distance.	Many enemies can pass through doors, and will pursue you. They will sometimes even search nearby buildings for you if you are in stealth mode or invisible.
Hand-to-Hand/Unarmed	Hand-to-Hand damages Fatigue, and does not damage Health until the opponent is knocked out. The Hand-to-hand skill governs how much damage you do.	Hand-to-Hand damages Health directly, as well as Fatigue, regardless of if they are conscious or not. The Hand to Hand skill governs how much damage you do.	Unarmed attacks damage Health directly, but not Stamina. Khajiit and (to a lesser extent) Argonians will use their claws to deal more damage, and heavy gauntlets may also increase damage. There is no hand-to-hand skill. It is possible to participate in non-lethal brawls.
Ranged Weapons	There are three types of ranged weapons: bows, crossbows, and thrown weapons - darts, stars, and knives.	Bows are the only type of ranged weapon found in-game.	Bows are the only type of ranged weapon found in the base game, but crossbows are added with the Dawnguard plug-in.
Sets of Armor	A full set of armor is made up of nine pieces: boots, greaves, cuirass, left and right gauntlets, left and right pauldrons, helmet, and shield. Additionally, clothing may be worn underneath armor.	A full set of armor comprises six pieces: boots, greaves, cuirass, gauntlets, helmet, and shield. Clothing cannot be worn with armor on the same body part.	A full set of armor comprises five pieces: helmet, boots, a set of gauntlets, armor, and shield. Clothing cannot be worn with armor on the same body part.
Skills	There are seven skills for different types of weapon: Short Blade, Long Blade, Axe, Blunt Weapon, Spear, Marksman, and Hand-to-hand.	Blade governs all lengths of bladed weapons and Blunt governs axes and blunt weapons. Spears do not exist. Marksman covers only Bows. Hand to Hand is changed as seen above.	The One-handed skill governs all one-handed weapons, likewise with the Two-handed skill. Archery governs bows and crossbows^(DG). Spears and blade distinctions are nonexistent. Unarmed combat is not skill-based.
Used Arrows	You cannot recover missed arrows, bolts, or thrown weapons, but they sometimes appear in a corpse's inventory if you hit them.	Arrows that miss can always be found on the ground near where they landed. Arrows that hit have a chance to become stuck in the enemy, but can usually be recovered.	Most arrows that miss can be recovered on the ground near where they landed. Arrows that hit have a chance of being recovered from the corpse, and certain perks can increase this chance.
Weapon Damage	Each weapon has varying damage levels for each type of attack.	Every weapon does varying damage levels depending on whether a standard or power attack is used.
Weapon Materials	Some weapons are only available in certain materials.	Aside from katanas and cutlasses, every base weapon type is available in every material.	Aside from Skyforge Steel weapons, Nord Hero weapons, and three bows, each base weapon type is available in every material.
Weapon Options	Available weapons include short swords, long swords, broad swords, claymores, wakizashis, katanas, daggers, tantos, sabers, clubs, battle axes, maces, warhammers, war axes, halberds, spears, shortbows, longbows, crossbows, throwing knives, darts, and throwing stars. This makes 22 weapons available in more than one material.	Only short swords, long swords, claymores, daggers, battle axes, maces, warhammers, war axes, and bows are typically available. Unique weapons include katanas, the cutlass, and the club, resulting in 9 weapons available in more than one material.	Daggers, swords, maces, war axes, battle axes, greatswords, warhammers, bows, and crossbows^(DG) are all available to you. Unique weapons include Scimitars and katanas. In the vanilla game, eight weapons are available in more than one material.

Commerce

	Morrowind Commerce	Oblivion Commerce	Skyrim Commerce
Closed Shops	Shops never close for the night.	Shops will close at night and will be locked until they open again.	Most shops will close at night and will be locked until they open again.
Items for Sale	Items in a merchant's store are usually for sale.	Merchants have separate inventories for trade items.	Merchants have separate inventories for trade items. Your spouse will sell items in their inventory, but you cannot obtain the store-specific items other than by buying them. Some merchants share a chest and sell from its inventory.
Merchant Gold	A merchant's gold goes up and down when you buy and sell, respectively, and resets every 24 hours.	Merchants have a constant amount of gold, which never decreases. They can only buy individual items for less than or equal to that amount of gold. Characters with high enough mercantile may invest extra money in the store so merchants have more gold.	A merchant's gold goes up and down when you buy and sell, respectively, and resets every 48 hours. There are two perks to increase a merchant's total gold.
Merchants Equipping Items	There is a bug that makes merchants equip items you sell to them.	Most merchants will not equip items you sell to them.
Possession of Skooma	Most non-Khajiit merchants will refuse to trade with you if you have any Skooma or Moon Sugar in your inventory.	Merchants will not refuse service if you are in possession of Skooma.	Merchants will not refuse service if you are in possession of Skooma or Moon Sugar.
Prices/Haggling	Prices are set after choosing items to buy/sell. Note that the disposition of the merchant will decrease if the offer is refused, and will increase if the offer is accepted.	Instead of changing the total cost or total sold of a transaction, you haggle to determine what percentage of an item's value you buy and sell consistently.	The haggle percentage is predetermined, and is based on your Speech as well as any Fortify Barter effects.
Transactions	Any number of items may be sold or bought in one transaction.	Each item or stack of items you sell or buy constitutes a separate transaction.
Visible Player Inventory	In the trading menu, all items are shown in your inventory regardless of whether the merchant will buy them.	Only items that the merchant will buy will appear in your inventory.

Crime

	Morrowind Crime	Oblivion Crime	Skyrim Crime
Fences	Stolen goods may be sold to merchants, regardless of their ties to the black market. The only exception is that you must not sell back an item you have stolen (or any item of the same type) to the same merchant you stole it from or they will call the guards.	Stolen items may not be sold to regular merchants (they will not appear in the trade menu). You must find fences from the Thieves Guild in order to sell stolen goods. The exceptions to this are Manheim Maulhand, a Dark Brotherhood Murderer, and Raven Biter (with the Shivering Isles expansion).	Stolen goods may be sold to fences for Thieves Guild members, and regular merchants if you've invested in them and have the Fence perk.
Enforcement of Bounty	The price on your head is always tracked across Morrowind and Cyrodiil and any guard you encounter will attempt an arrest or attack on sight depending on your current bounty.		Your bounty is tracked separately according to the hold in which the crime(s) were committed. For instance, if you committed a murder in the Reach, your bounty is not enforced if you move to Eastmarch because the guards in Windhelm do not know about the crime(s) committed in Markarth. However, if your bounty is over 1,000, you may be confronted by a Bounty Collector who will track you regardless of the hold you are in.
Guards' Reactions	If your bounty is not too high, guards will not attempt to arrest you. Turning yourself in to a guard will let you pay less for reparations. If you gain a bounty equal to five-thousand gold, a death warrant will be issued for you. Guards will attack you on sight at that point. One way to get rid of your bounty is through the Thieves Guild, but quests that remove your bounty as a reward are available.	Guards will always attempt to arrest you, and you can always be forgiven for your crimes through the proper channels. If your disposition with a guard is high enough they can forgive you of your crime without a fine.	Guards will almost always attempt to arrest you. If you have a bounty of over three-thousand gold, they will attack on sight. If they witness you commit a minor crime such as petty thievery, and their disposition towards you is high enough, you can talk your way out of it. If you are Thane of the hold, you can eliminate the charges, but you can only use this option one time per hold. If you are in the Thieves Guild, an option is sometimes present where you can bribe the guard to drop the charges.
Jail	If you surrender to the guards and go to jail, you are committed to your fate. Escape is impossible.	When you choose to go to jail, you can try to pick the cell door lock and escape. In the Shivering Isles, you can sleep in the bedroll and go through your time, or escape.	Most jails are the same as in Oblivion, except that they have a secret exit that not only leads you out but also leads you to the chest containing your belongings. There is one jail where escape is impossible.
Killing Guards	If you manage to kill a guard without being seen, you will not receive a bounty. Also, if you manage to taunt a guard into striking first, you will not receive a bounty for either striking back or killing the guard, as it will be considered self-defense.	No matter the circumstances, even if you are completely invisible, guards will always seek you out if you kill a guard.	If you manage to kill a guard without being seen or kill all witnesses, you will not receive a bounty.
Notification of Illegality	You are not informed if an action is illegal or not. You will only be alerted to your actions being a crime if you are caught.	The action icon turns red for any illegal act, alerting you to the crime before you commit it.	The action text turns red for almost all illegal acts, alerting you to the crime before you commit it. Taking a book or an Unusual Gem are the two exceptions. However, if you read a book, it will say whether you can "Take" it or "Steal" it, thereby notifying you whether or not it is a crime even though the action text did not turn red.
Payment of Bounty	If you pay your bounty, the guard will simply take your money and stolen goods on the spot and release you.	If you pay your bounty, you will be transported to the nearest prison to be processed and released, with your stolen goods removed.
Stolen Items	Stolen items will not be marked as stolen; you must remember which of your belongings are ill-gotten. Stolen flags apply to all items of a given type, not just the one(s) you stole. Steal a Diamond from Nalcarya of White-Haven, and all Diamonds you find are henceforth marked as stolen.	Stolen items will have a red hand icon over them to indicate they're stolen.	Stolen items in your inventory are marked with the word Stolen.

Factions/Guilds

	Morrowind Factions	Oblivion Factions	Skyrim Factions
Advancement	Advancement is dependent upon completing a certain number of quests (in no particular order) and having sufficiently high skill levels within the faction's favored skill set.	Advancement is dependent only upon completing the required quests, usually in a linear fashion. There are no skill level requirements.
Becoming Guild Master	You do not need to finish all of a faction's quests to advance to its highest rank.	All of a faction's quests must be completed to achieve its highest rank, except for quests that only become available at the highest rank.	A faction's primary questline must be completed to achieve its highest rank.
Exclusivity	Belonging to a faction that is the same type as another prevents you from joining both (notably, the Great Houses and the Vampire Clans).	You can belong to all joinable factions at the same time.	Belonging to either the Stormcloaks or the Imperial Legion prevents you from joining the other, though a small number of quests can be done for both factions at the same time. With Dawnguard, you must choose between the Dawnguard and Volkihar Vampires. All other factions can be freely joined without conflicting with another.
Ownership	Being a member does not grant you special access to doors or items on the faction's properties. It does, however, allow you to sleep in guild-owned beds and take items from guild supply chests.	Being a member grants you ownership to most doors and items on the faction's properties.
Quest-Related NPCs	A faction's quests may require you to kill an NPC essential to another faction's quest (This is usually exclusive to conflicting factions).	You can never kill an NPC essential to another faction's quest until after he or she is no longer essential.

Lycanthropy

Note that Oblivion is omitted from this table. This is because Lycanthropy is not present in Oblivion.

	Morrowind	Skyrim
Abilities as a Werewolf	As a werewolf, you will have a permanent Detect Animal for 4000 feet, but it will only detect NPCs (your prey). You also have the Night Eye ability.	You have access to one default shout (weak Fear for 60 seconds), but through quests you can obtain three others. The Dawnguard add-on adds perks that enhance all aspects of being a werewolf. For full details see Lycanthropy.
Becoming a Werewolf	You can become a werewolf through the Bloodmoon questline. You may also become one by contracting Sanies Lupinus during combat with any of the werewolves found scattered across Solstheim.	You can only become a werewolf through the Companions questline.
Combat	Your only method of fighting is by claw (Hand-to-hand), which does Health damage rather than Fatigue damage.	Your only method of fighting is by claw. However, you can do numerous power attacks, a devastating sprinting attack, and numerous kill moves.
Feeding	You must kill an NPC while as a werewolf, or else you will suffer massive damage when you transform back.	You are transformed into a werewolf for three minutes. This can be extended if Dawnguard has been installed.
Skills Affected	Numerous skills and attributes, especially in the realm of Athletics, Endurance, and Strength, will be fortified significantly, and your health will be doubled. However, most of your other skills will either be drained to zero or by 10 points.	You have a very fast sprint (faster than horses) and both your health and stamina are increased by 100 points. However, your health regeneration slows down dramatically, and the quickest way to regain lost health is by feeding on an NPC.
Transformation	Every night, from 9:00pm to 6:00am, you will transform into a werewolf. If you have Hircine's Ring, you may transform at any time of day for six hours.	You can transform into a werewolf at any time you want to, but you can transform only once a day. With the Ring of Hircine, you may transform any number of times, by your choice or not, depending on the version of the ring. You have limited control over when you revert back to human form - the more you feed, the longer it lasts.
Vampirism	You can be both a werewolf and a vampire at the same time, but it is required that you catch both diseases before becoming either. You may become either after curing the other condition, but it is impossible to catch either disease while possessing the other.	You cannot be both a werewolf and a vampire at the same time. If you are a vampire when you become a werewolf, the vampirism will be cured, and vice versa.

Magic

	Morrowind Magic	Oblivion Magic	Skyrim Magic
Adverse Enchantments	Many items cause negative effects on the player. It is also possible to custom enchant negative effect items.		Only one item causes negative effects on the player (three more are added by the Dragonborn expansion), and it is no longer possible to custom enchant items with them.
Bound Items	Weapons and armor can be summoned. They are of Daedric quality, and have built-in Fortify Skill enchantments.	Weapons and armor can be summoned. They are of slightly less than Daedric quality, and are unenchanted.	Weapons, but not armor, can be summoned. They are of low-to-mid tier quality, but a perk improves them to approximately Daedric quality. Other perks grant built-in Soul Trap, Turn Undead, and Banish enchantments.
Casting Spells	With enough magicka, all spells can be cast at any point, regardless of your skill, with varying chances of failure. Magic must be selected in order to be cast, and cannot be used with a weapon. Skill reduces forementioned chance of failure.	You must possess the required skill level in a particular magic school before you can cast more powerful spells of that type. Magic can be cast on the fly with a weapon out. Spells never fail to cast. Skill affects magicka cost.	Any spell can be cast by any character with enough magicka, although merchants will not offer Adept-level or higher spell tomes to players with insufficient skill in that magic school. There are skill perks to reduce the magicka cost of different levels of spells. Spells must be assigned to one or both hands and can be dual cast for greater effect. Skill affects Damage, Duration, and/or other effects. Spells never fail to cast due to level or difficulty.
Custom Spells	Custom spells are created by paying a Spellmaker.	Custom spells are created for gold at an Altar of Spellmaking.	Custom spells are not available.
Deleting Spells	You can delete unwanted spells from your spellbook.	Spells cannot be removed once acquired.
Detect Spells	Detect spells work by causing creatures, enchanted items, or keys to appear as symbols on your minimap depending on which spell you use.	The only "detect" spell is Detect Life, which causes living (or undead) creatures to be highlighted in the main view screen.	The Detect Life spell works much the same as in Oblivion, but designates friend and foe with different colors. There is also a Detect Dead spell that highlights undead creatures and lootable corpses, and a shout that detects moving entities.
Effects of Armor and Fatigue	The chances of successfully casting a spell are decreased as fatigue decreases.	Spell effectiveness is decreased by worn armor. The higher your armor skill and the fewer pieces of armor you wear, the less effect your armor has on magic.	Neither stamina nor armor weight has any effect on spellcasting. There is an Alteration perk which makes defensive spells become stronger if the caster is not wearing any armor.
Enchant Capacity	Higher quality items can hold more powerful enchantments. Additionally, your Enchant skill determines how many uses you can get out of enchanted items.	Item quality has no effect on how much of an Enchantment it can hold.	Maximum capacity is affected by both the Enchanting skill and skill level in the magic school of the effect. Raising the Conjuration skill will net more uses out of a soul trap weapon.
Enchanted Items	Most magical items apply their effect when you use them, rather than having a constant effect.	Enchanted pieces of clothing, armor, and jewelry always have a constant effect while enchanted weapons always cast the effect when striking.
Enchanting	There are no altars for enchanting or spellmaking in Vvardenfell. Instead, Enchant is a skill which you can use yourself anytime, anywhere and for free, but with a chance to fail. You can pay Enchanters to do it for you.	Weapons and armor must be brought to enchanting altars to enchant them.	Enchanting is once again a learnable skill, but the enchanting must be done at an Arcane Enchanter.
Enchanting Effects	You make enchanting effects available by knowing the corresponding spell effect.		You make enchanting effects available by disenchanting an item with that effect.
Equipping Spells	Spells must be readied just as a weapon must be drawn, and they must cast just as a weapon must attack. You can either have a weapon ready or a spell ready, but not both at the same time.	Spellcasting has been allocated to its own button. There is no need to switch between weapon and magic modes to cast spells.	You can equip a spell or item in each hand, i.e. you can equip a spell and a weapon, two spells, two weapons, or any other combination. Each hand has its own attack button.
Magic Schools	Several spell effects are associated with different Magic Schools in the three games. For example, Absorb is a Restoration spell in Oblivion, but a Mysticism spell in Morrowind. Mysticism is removed entirely from Skyrim.
Magicka Regeneration	Magicka doesn't regenerate constantly. It is replenished by sleeping, potions, shrines, or absorption.	Your magicka restores over time, except for characters with Stunted Magicka.	Your magicka restores over time but it restores much slower while in combat. There are several enchantments that make magicka regenerate faster.
Necromancy	Undead minions can be summoned out of nothing wherever you are. Reanimation is not possible.	In addition to summoning undead from nothing, you can also reanimate dead NPCs (but not creatures) as undead minions.	Undead can for the most part only be created by reanimating dead NPCs or creatures.
Powers	Powers can only be used once per day, and require time to cast, like spells, but do not cost any magicka. Powers always successfully cast.	Lesser powers cost magicka but can be used more than once each day; greater powers work in the same manner as powers in Morrowind.	Powers are activated instantly. Most powers can only be used once per day, but some powers are reusable. None cost magicka to use.
Recharging Magical Items	Magical items regenerate automatically over time, although they can be recharged using soul gems.	Magical items must be recharged using soul gems, Varla Stones or by taking them to an enchanter.	Magical items must be recharged using soul gems. There is a perk that allows a small recharge of any weapon upon killing a creature.
Removed Spells		Certain spell effects from Morrowind were not included in Oblivion or Skyrim, including Mark/Recall, Levitate, Jump, Sanctuary, Slowfall, Divine/Almsivi Intervention, Sound, Blind and several Summon spells.
Soul Gems	Soul gems are valued based on both the gem quality and the power of the soul trapped inside.	Soul gem values are fixed prices based on soul size alone.	Soul gems have two values, filled and empty. Self-filled gems are classed as empty when valued. The exception is black soul gems, which change value when filled.
Spell Failure	Casting spells can fail. The failure rate is influenced by your skill rating in the relevant school of magic, your Willpower, your Luck, and your Fatigue. Instead of the cost of spells, skill level influences the chance of spell failure.	Spells have a 100% success rate. Your Skill affects the Magicka cost.	Spells have a 100% success rate. Your Skill and several perks affect the Magicka cost as well as the Power and/or Duration.
Spellcasting and Armor	There is no penalty to your spellcasting for wearing armor.	Wearing armor reduces your Spell Effectiveness, which in turn reduces the magnitude or duration of your spells, by a factor relative to your skill in the armor's school. The only way to have 100% Spell Effectiveness is to not wear any armor at all.	The Mage Armor perk increases the protection of your Armor spells as long as you're not wearing armor. Also, enchantments that both increase magicka regeneration and decrease spell casting costs are only found on robes, unless custom enchanted. Dawnguard adds Vampire Armor, which can have some enchantments otherwise only found on robes.
Staffs	Staffs count as Blunt Weapons and come in enchanted and unenchanted forms. The only notable exception between staffs and other blunt weapons was the fact that they do very little damage, but carry higher quality enchantments and have higher enchanting tolerances.	Staffs have "on target" enchantments and launch their spells at targets, rather than acting like blunt weapons. They are still wielded with two hands. They affect and are affected by no skills. They cannot be enchanted because no unenchanted versions exist.	Staffs are one-handed (though they do not count as one handed weapons) meaning they can be paired with either spells, other staffs, shields, or other weapons. In addition, they affect and are affected by their matching magic skill and perks (Staffs that shoot Fireballs are affected by destruction, while staffs that summon/banish dremora are affected by conjuration, etc.). Other than this however, they behave much as they do in Oblivion. Dragonborn adds a staff enchanter which allows you to craft new staffs.
Summoning	You can have multiple summoned creatures fighting by your side at one time, one per summon type. You can summon a wide variety of creatures, including animals and automatons. Summoned creatures can be soul trapped.	Only one creature can be summoned at your disposal at one time. Summoning a second one dispels the first. Undead, daedra, and (with an official plugin) animals can be summoned. NPC corpses can be turned into zombies for a short time using the Staff of Worms. Summoned creatures can be soul trapped.	Only one creature can be summoned at your disposal at one time. Summoning a second one dispels the first. However, if you have the Twin Souls perk, you can have two summoned creatures at a time. Familiars, atronachs, dremora, undead ^DG, and two named NPCs can be summoned. Summoned creatures cannot be soul trapped.
Telekinesis	The telekinesis spell is used to manipulate objects at a distance (e.g. open doors, open chests, pick up objects or operate switches).	The telekinesis spell is used to move and manipulate physics-based objects, but in a similar fashion to Morrowind, it is also able to trigger tripwires. Cannot be used to harm NPCs	The telekinesis spell is used to pick up, drop, and throw items from a distance. The dual casting perk allows you to control up to 4 objects at a time. In Skyrim, throwing items at people causes health loss to the target and is considered an assault.

Quests

	Morrowind Quests	Oblivion Quests	Skyrim Quests
Items	You can drop and sell quest-related items, so it is possible to lose them. It is a good idea to save items that have a unique name, or look them up on the wiki before getting rid of them, because they might be related to a quest later on.	Quest-related items cannot be dropped or sold until they are no longer needed. They will have no weight for as long as they are considered essential. The Elder Scroll in Skyrim is an exception where it weighs 20 and cannot be dropped.
Journal Organization	The journal is organized chronologically. You can also look up conversation topics in your journal to see all the dialog related to that topic. As of the Tribunal expansion, you can look up all entries relating to specific quests as well.	The journal is organized by quest title. You can view all of the entries for your active quest in reverse chronological order. You can also view a shortened list of all of your current or completed quests. You cannot look up conversation topics.	The journal is organized chronologically, with more recent quests at the top. Completed quests are listed, in order of completion, on the bottom half of the journal. A single "Miscellaneous" tab contains all info on any miscellaneous quests. You cannot look up conversation topics.
Locks	Nearly any container or door, even one essential to a quest, can be opened with a high enough skill in security or alteration.	Some quest-related containers or doors will require a key to be opened.	Some quest-related containers or doors will require a key to be opened. Oftentimes, the area will be inaccessible by other means or the necessary item will not spawn until after progressing far enough through the quest.
Map Markers	There is no map marker for quests. It is important to get full directions from a quest-giver before you leave. Make sure to ask about every topic that seems relevant to your mission to make sure you are getting all the information you need.	You can select a quest in your journal to be your "active quest". In most situations, a quest marker will direct you to the next location for your active quest.	You can select more than one active quest, and quest markers can appear for all of the quests you have currently set active.

Skills

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Combat

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	Morrowind Skills	Oblivion Skills	Skyrim Skills
Acrobatics	The Acrobatics skill is quite powerful compared to later TES games.	The Acrobatics skill has been significantly toned down.	Acrobatics is no longer a learnable skill.
Major and Minor Skills	Your character has 5 major Skills and 5 minor skills. Your level is dependent on these. Everything else is considered a miscellaneous skill and has no effect on your level, though they do contribute to your attributes on level up.	Your character has 7 major skills. Your level is dependent on these. Everything else is considered a minor skill and has no effect on your level, though they do contribute to your attributes on level up.	There are no major or minor skills; however, each race will have primary and secondary skills that start higher. All skills affect your level as they increase, but do not affect your attribute bonus on level up.
Perks	With the exception of Alchemy (which will reveal ingredient effects at thresholds of 25), there are no skill perks.	Each skill automatically receives perks at level 25, 50, 75 and 100.	As you level up, you earn perk points that are spent in trees corresponding to each skill.
Skill Level 100+	Most skills will continue to provide more benefit over level 100.	Athletics and Acrobatics are the only skills that provide more benefit over level 100.	Skills cannot go over level 100. However, once at 100 they can be made legendary, which resets the skill to level 15 and refunds all perk points spent in it, allowing you to continue to level up after all skills have reached maximum level.
Skill Level Effects	A higher skill level in weapon skills increases your chance to hit your target.	A higher skill level in weapon skills increases the damage you do with that weapon.
Smithing	The smithing skill does not exist. You cannot create your own weapons or armor; only repair existing ones.		The smithing skill can be used to create weapons, armor, and jewelry.
Trainers	Trainers can be used as often as you please, provided you have the gold to pay and they are able to train you further. You cannot train a skill over the level of its governing attribute, however. More advanced trainers cost more for training, and the trainer's disposition towards you affects training costs. Trainers may have multiple skills that they can train you in.	Trainers can only be used 5 times per level. Training costs are fixed, and increase arithmetically as your skill level rises. Each trainer only trains one skill. All master trainers require a quest to be completed before they will train you.	Trainers can only be used 5 times per level. Trainers cannot train above level 90—you must earn the last 10 yourself. Training costs are fixed, but when your skill reaches 51 and 76 training costs greatly increase. Each trainer only trains one skill. Most master trainers require you to join a faction before they will train you; a few require the completion of a quest, and a few more will train you without prerequisites. A few non-master trainers as well will only train you if their disposition towards you is high.

Stealth

	Morrowind Stealth	Oblivion Stealth	Skyrim Stealth
Armor Weight	The weight of your boots always affects your ability to sneak.	The weight of your boots affects your ability to sneak until you are a Journeyman in Sneak.	The weight of all of your apparel affects your ability to sneak. Sneak perks and Muffle spells or items can reduce or negate the impact.
Fences	Stolen goods can be sold to any merchant, but trying to sell a stolen item back to its owner will cause the merchant to take it from you. This applies to all items of that same kind. For example, if you steal rat meat from a person you can't sell any rat meat back, even if you got it legally somewhere else.	Stolen goods can only be sold to certain merchants.	Stolen goods can be sold to Thieves Guild fences or to merchants whom you have invested in after unlocking the relevant perk.
Guild Items	Taking items from guild halls may count as theft even if you are a member of the guild.	Taking items from guild halls is rarely theft if you are a member of the guild. The exceptions are usually within guild shops (eg: Felen Relas in the Anvil Mages Guild).
Light	The amount of light shining on you does not affect how well you sneak.	The amount of light shining on you affects how well you sneak, so try to stay in the shadows.
Lockpicking	Lockpicking success is randomly determined based on your intelligence, security level, luck, lockpick quality and the difficulty of the lock.	You can either let the game randomly determine lockpicking success based on your agility, security level, luck, and the difficulty of the lock, or you can play a lockpicking mini-game to manually pick the lock.	Lockpicking is based entirely on a mini-game, the difficulty of which is determined by your Lockpicking skill and the difficulty of the lock.
Lockpicks	Lockpicks break after a set number of uses, which depends on their quality.	Lockpicks always break if you fail to pick a lock. If you always succeed, you may use one pick an infinite number of times. Nocturnal's Skeleton Key can be used as an unbreakable lockpick.	Depending on how forcefully you try to open a lock, you can use a lockpick numerous times before it breaks. Any damage to it remains, even if the lock is exited.
Owned Beds	You may sleep in any bed—though it will be a crime if the bed is owned—and you may receive an unpleasant awakening by the guards.	You cannot sleep while trespassing or in an owned bed.
Pickpocketing	Looking at someone's inventory is a crime, so if the NPC detects you doing so you get a bounty.		It is not a crime to look at someone's inventory, even if the NPC can see you doing it.
Sneak Mode	On the PC, you must hold down the Ctrl key to continually sneak. On the Xbox, double-click the left stick button to toggle sneak mode.	On the PC, pressing the Ctrl key toggles sneak mode on and off. On the Xbox and PS3, click the left stick button once to toggle sneak mode.
Trapped Locks	Some locks are trapped and activate a harmful spell to anything that opens them. Traps can be deactivated with tools called probes, which rely on your security skill. Alternately, using telekinesis on the lock from a distance can trigger the trap while you are outside of its effective area.	Locks are not trapped.	The locks themselves are not trapped, but the devices that they open can be.
Trespassing	Trespassing is not illegal.	Trespassing is illegal. Many NPCs will issue a warning before reporting you to the guards or attacking you for trespassing.

Travel

	Morrowind Travel	Oblivion Travel	Skyrim Travel
Being Over-Encumbered	You cannot move at all while over-encumbered.		When over-encumbered, you may walk (very slowly) and jump (a short distance), but cannot run, sprint, or fast travel.
Compass/Mini-Map	Your mini-map shows where you are on the local map.	Your compass points out nearby locations—discovered or not—and quest targets.	Your compass points out nearby locations—discovered or not—and quest targets. It also shows enemies as red dots.
Exterior Cells	All cities in Morrowind are in exterior cells (bar Mournhold).	Each city loads in a separate cell instead of in the exterior. However, small towns and villages, such as Harlun's Watch and Riverwood, are still in the outside world.
Fast Travel	There is no map-based fast travel in Morrowind; the nearest equivalents are the silt striders, boats, the intervention spells, Mark & Recall, and the Propylon Chambers (see below).	You can fast travel to any location that you have previously discovered. In addition, you can fast travel to certain locations in the major towns and cities without having discovered them.	You can fast travel to any location that you have previously discovered.
Flying	Custom Jump and Levitation Spells can make for very fast travel.	Jump and Levitate are not available, presumably because now that cities are interior cells it would be possible to Jump or Levitate over the walls.	Jump and Levitate are not available. With the Dragonborn add-on, however, it is possible to fly on the back of a dragon by using the Bend Will shout, but you are unable to directly control the dragon.
Horses	There are no horses.	Horses help to speed up regular on-foot travel as well as fast-travel. The type of horse affects how fast it can walk or run. You cannot mount a horse while over-encumbered, but can fast travel while on a horse even if you later become over-encumbered (usually due to a magical effect wearing off).	Horses help to speed up regular on-foot travel but not fast-travel. The type of horse does not affect how fast it can walk or run. You can fast travel if you mount a horse, even if over-encumbered.
Magic Travel	Instant travel from any location to nearby "safe" spots: Almsivi Intervention, Divine Intervention (these work from interior locations, too). Mark and Recall, spells that are much like instant travel to certain spots, are available. A network of Propylon Chambers surrounds the island, with instant travel, if you have the right index.	Almsivi/Divine Intervention, Mark/Recall, and Propylon Chambers do not exist, having been replaced by map-based fast travel.
Travel Services	Paid travel services between fixed locations are available through silt striders, boats, Mages Guild teleportation service and gondolas (intra-Vivec only).	The one service available is quest-related and only used once. The Wizard's Tower plug-in adds teleporters to every Mages Guild Hall, including the Arcane University.	Carriage drivers outside the major cities can be hired to take you to any city in Skyrim. Dawnguard adds three ferrymen who can be paid to take you to various ports around Skyrim via boat. Hearthfire allows you to, for a fee, hire Carriage drivers for your homesteads, which can take you to both cities and settlements in Skyrim.

Thanks to happychappy for posting the windows and uesp for providing them.

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Incorrect word is in name of

Is mechanics of whay sort, in what limits?
I have some ideas about crafting and role/behaviour of some creatures, is it in?

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I would love to see a return

I would love to see a return of ALMSIVI's Intervention, Divine Intervention, Mark and Recall. I would love to see this take the place of fast travel, but even if it is only in addition to fast travel, it would be nice. I know several NPCs make reference to these spells in their dialogue, so it would be a shame to not have it included.

On an unrelated note, I would like to see the thieves guild operate as they did in Morrowind, rather than Oblivion and Skyrim. In that they remove your bounty, and you steal things as part of contracts, but with no need for 'fences'. Stolen items could be marked as 'stolen' only to their owner. Anyone else you tried selling it to wouldn't know it to have been stolen - only the original owner would call you out on it and add to your bounty/call the guards. Even then, very generic items like food should never be marked as stolen.

Somewhat related, as has been discussed in other threads, it would be nice if the legality of ebony were adressed. As all ebony mined in Vvardenfell is property of the emperor, all ebony should have an imperial seal upon it if it has gone through proper channels of trade - if the emporer has gotten his 'cut' of the profit from its sale. Player-mined ebony would not bear such a seal, and while both could be used interchangeably for smithing purposes, only one is 'legal'. It should be far more difficult to find buyers for unmarked ebony, and if you are arrested the guards should confiscate any loose unmarked and unrefined ebony in your possession as should they Dwemer items, and obviously 'stolen' items (like unique heirlooms which would have been reported stolen).

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alysander wrote:

alysander wrote:

Incorrect word is in name of post. Is mechanics of whay sort, in what limits?
I have some ideas about crafting and role/behaviour of some creatures, is it in?

Good catch, I'm sure Smerk will fix that when he can. (Machanics should be mechanics).

As to what sort of mechanics, in what limits. The only limits are what has already been specified at the top (ie. no elder scrolls travel talk). If you have any idea's at all lets hear them, write down your idea's for crafting and role/behaviour.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 01:29

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Smitehammer wrote:

Smitehammer wrote:

I would love to see a return of ALMSIVI's Intervention, Divine Intervention, Mark and Recall.

ALMSIVI's Intervention and Divine Intervention are already in Skywind.

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I don't know what will come out of this thread but just FYI, not everything will be included in the main package and some things can be released as optional mods.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:43

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I'm thinking it might be an

I'm thinking it might be an idea to add buttons for stuff like skyui digitalparanoid. But yes I guess your right about some things digital. But there are other's that we really want to do anyway. Like spear fighting and throwing weapons. If where going to put so much time into this mod then why not add some mechanics on the way.

But yes I do see some ideas being mods more then official skywind stuff, so I do understand your concern and will keep it in mind well we work on this project.

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 08:56

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There are some ideas about

There are some ideas about geology, rearranging perks (if it possible without changing vanilla) and blacksmith skill.
May be their already exist but not very available and stable.

1. Iron mines, corundum (what is this?) elvish and orichalcum ores are not available on Vvarfendell (as we can see from Morrowind, volcanic nature of island and tools of aborigines). Dragon bones obvious non exist too. Island is rich only on glass, ebony and gems/diamonds. Dwemer artifact (so metal source) trade is illegal.

2. So it's should be easier to buy or loot metallic weapon that to get enough material to develop smith skill and make it yourself. I think we should rearrange, rename and change some perks in blacksmith skill to add more specific crafting of organic materials (wood, leather, netch, bones, chitin and other) instead of metallic items.

3. Imperial traders and contraband are only plausible source of metals and metallic goods. Player should be capable of
melting metallic items to metal (not so sure about moonstone and about elven weapons in Skywind in general).

4. There is no corundum mines too. Community can change small requirement in corundum to charcoal, produced from inexhaustible wood (in smelter too). And that also will be more realistic recipe of steel than vanilla.

5. I think more adequate to delete ebony and glass INGOTS from production chain. I think ebony and glass ingots in Skyrim is a crude simplification for making all weapons on anvil. But i thing more plausible is straight crafting process from 'ore', like as crafting stalhrim.

6. Possible constellation of perks for MW (i community can to manage compatibility) :

Tue, 02/11/2014 - 09:03

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Spell Reflect.

I would also like to think of something in ways of making the Nerevarine feel like the reincarnation of the Dunmer hero. Just like how the Dragonborn has the power of the voice, the Nerevarine should also have some kind of signature ability or ''thing'' that identifies him as the hero. I understand the Moon & Star and the prophecies are ultimately what confirms this in the story but I feel as though there should be an engaging gameplay element that should highlight this as well.

Perhaps Azura could periodically intervene on behalf of her champion in some way?

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I have wish for ambient (non

I have wish for ambient (non-destructible and non-damaging HP) spectres and ghosts (so they can be "killed" just and only by soul trap or turned by turn undead)
And i have a wish for several-times resurrecting undead (only flesh undead) - they can be "killed forever" by picking up ingredients from them (like ghoul's heart or something related) or by soul trap.

But i see many dedicated conservatives here, so it will be idea for optional mod later.

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Smitehammer wrote:

Smitehammer wrote:

In that they remove your bounty, and you steal things as part of contracts, but with no need for 'fences'. Stolen items could be marked as 'stolen' only to their owner. Anyone else you tried selling it to wouldn't know it to have been stolen - only the original owner would call you out on it and add to your bounty/call the guards. Even then, very generic items like food should never be marked as stolen.

I actually don't totally agree with this Smite. You would think that the people who got stolen from would tell it to the guards there for declaring it stolen.

as for the medal trade ordeal with ebony, making medal outlawed may be a good way to make smithing a little more difficult to make obtaining the skill to make armor a little more interesting. Making some medals with marks on them making them legal might be an idea.

alysander wrote:

I think we should rearrange, rename and change some perks in blacksmith skill to add more specific crafting of organic materials (wood, leather, netch, bones, chitin and other) instead of metallic items.

that might be an idea if we do it right. as for the ores we might make it so the ores can only be bought or stolen but I'm not sure. I'll have to see what the other dev's think about it. I do like the idea of organic crafting. Changing the perks is pretty inevitable. how were going to do it will be carefully considered. the ghost I idea is more of a mod idea.

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I would also like to think of something in ways of making the Nerevarine feel like the reincarnation of the Dunmer hero. Just like how the Dragonborn has the power of the voice, the Nerevarine should also have some kind of signature ability or ''thing'' that identifies him as the hero. I understand the Moon & Star and the prophecies are ultimately what confirms this in the story but I feel as though there should be an engaging gameplay element that should highlight this as well.

I like the idea but I think the choosing of the sign at the start of the game already pretty much does that. Though some gameplay element might be possible and fun.

I'm liking some of the ideas.

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I really don't want

I really don't want Nerevarine to have any special abilities, aside from surviving corprus. It's much better that way, it adds depth. The reason is simple - you can assume the prophecy is false and still do the main quest, just thinking that it's your skill, hard work and luck that allowed you to complete it, and not just some inherited power. When I was playing through as an Imperial I thought of myself as a top agent who became a hero to the natives and slowly earned their trust. That would all be taken away with any "FUS RO DAH's".

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Good idea as general -

Good idea as general - "Nerevarin have some mark" (hovewer, Coprus mark and artefacts is anyway enough)
Bad idea in details "Azura could periodically intervene" - through save & reload? :)

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1) I would like to see

1) I would like to see "resistnormalweapons" on the ghosts and undead, so only silver, daedric or spells can harm them. Skyrim already has a script running on ghosts, undead and werewolves that makes silver weapons do more damage, but all weapons can damage them.

2) Underwater attacks I think will be necessary.

3) Throwing weapons. There are 2 mods on nexusmods

Throwing weapons redux

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/36147/?

Death from afar

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14176/?

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Psychedelic effects to Blight

Psychedelic effects to Blight and/or the Soul Sickness.

It would be very cool if we could see the effect the powers of the Sixth House has on the mind. There are multiple disturbing dream sequences into the game, and it would be very fun to actually get to see a visual representation of those in a way.

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People keep talking about

People keep talking about silver and daedric being the only things that can hurt things that resist normal weapons but remember that in Morrowind Dwemer, glass, and ebony also hurt ghosts and daedra.

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Um, I suppose i would like to

Um, I suppose i would like to see something similar to the wet and cold - ashes mod where ash storms affect npcs and the player by making visible ash effect and requiring the player to put on protection to see correctly. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31968/?

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I always thought... do they

I always was interested... do they use Almsivi intervention to move big quantities of goods?

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happychappy that is an

happychappy that is an awesome list of things that we need to consider, I will start going through the whole list and make some comments. Right now I can say that I would like to see (probably as a mod) Morrowind's journal style in Skywind. I have looked into SKSE to see if I could replicate the behaviour but unfortunately there is a limitation that won't allow me to obtain book contents in Papyrus. So the only way to replicate this behaviour is using a UI plugin, similar to one of the journal mods Nexus, which I guess would be passable with a good texture and maybe some page turning anims.

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A few comments:

-I think shops should close at night like in vanilla Skyrim.

-With crime, maybe separate bounties in different areas of Vvardenfell.

-I think the Morrowind travel services should be kept, as well as the propylon chambers with fast travel being an option (though can be disabled).

-With quests, to get around the fact that you cannot view past dialogue in Skyrim, maybe give the player a note with directions as well as saying them to the player. Like the previous point, quest markers can be an option and can be disabled if the player doesn't like them.

-About horses, Vvardenfell's weather is too harsh for them. So instead, have ridable guars which get you from place to place.

-Make trespassing illegal like in vanilla Skyrim.

-Keep smithing and have the option to craft your own weapons and armor.

-Game mechanics like lockpicking, armor weight, compass..etc the same. I believe there are mods which change at least most of these on the Nexus.

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O _ O thats a lot happy

O _ O thats a lot happy chappy but i like the list

could make a exame of it choose a b c

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Awesome list! Really shows

Awesome list! Really shows how many things considering the gameplay are yet to be considered...

I unfortunately don't have time currently to go through that all and make comments on everything, but I generally think in many cases it would be best to design our own, improved systems. At least for the most broken things.

I will however start with smithing/armourer skill, as it was one of the most discussed lately.

I'd like to see weapons degrade - it makes picking your weapon much more tactical, as you have to consider more things than just damage (in Morrowind in early game I'd use iron sword over silver for example, even though it had less damage, but it didn't break so fast. However I always carried a silver one too in case of supernatural enemies). Also it would add much needed depth to the materials. Glass provides pretty much as much protection as ebony? Why use ebony at all? Solution is simple - glass armour breaks rather easily and is expensive to fix, while ebony can take much more of a beating and doesn't even get a scratch. Also - the relief we get after we put our hands on equipment that is almost indestructible makes it all the more satisfying when upgrading our gear.

Having said that, Morrowind and Oblivion didn't really get the fixing right. It was tedious and didn't add anything to the gameplay, except for another annoyance for which you have to spend some money and lots of clicks. In Oblivion a perk that allowed to temper the weapons was a nice addition, but the system was still pretty broken. Of course, as usual, Bethesda decided to just axe off something that isn't working, instead of trying to fix it.

An answer to that came to me when I was recently re-playing the first Diablo and Arx Fatalis. We could have a smithing skill there, but fixing our equipment in the field (we'd need a hammer for heavy armour and blunt weapons, wax, resin, or oil and a sewing kit for light armour, a portable whetstone for blade weapons) was much more of a tactical decision. Let me explain: depending on our skill, we could raise the condition of the weapon, but at the same time we would decrease it's maximum endurance. Therefore, if our skill was rather low and we would decide to fix a sword that has 10/100 condition, we'd end up with it having 40/40 condition. In dire situations that can save our lives, but sacrifices the weapon's quality. And the more we fix it that way, the more broken the weapon/armour piece is. Of course, fixing the weapon ourselves at the smithy or crafting table would end up much better, perhaps something like 60/60, but still we's break it slightly and still it would depend on our skills. As we progress and get perks for different materials (I'll write about that below), we'd be able to enhance equipment made of respecting material. Not in damage as it was in Skyrim though, but rather in it's maximum endurance.
Alternative is of course blacksmiths. In my opinion they should be able to break our weapon a bit depending on their skill just like the player, but of course they'd be much more skilled than us from the start. And the more skilled the blacksmith, the better the weapon will be fixed, and the more it will cost us.

What should happen to a weapon that was broken? Well, my guess is, weapons should only have so many times they can reach 0 condition, and that should depend on the material. Each time it breaks and gets a "chip", it will decrease it's damage and maximum endurance, to the point when it cannot be ever fixed anymore. Iron is very easy to re-shape, so let's say it can be chipped 10 times. We have a 100/100 endurance Iron Sword, that deals 20 damage. We don't take care of it and it falls down to 0/100. We then get a chipped Iron Sword that is 18 damage and 0/90 (can't be used until it's fixed, but can't be fixed to the state it was in before it was chipped).
This might seem overcomplicated, but allows for much more stat tweaking, especially considering the variety of materials in Morrowind. Steel and Iron is pretty easy to re-shape, so it could take many chips. But let's take glass for example - very strong material, can take a lot of beating, but after it breaks it can only pretty much be molten down as recycling material. So if we have a 2000/2000 endurance and 35 damage glass sword and we don't take care of it and it chips, we'll get a 0/500 and 20 damage one, not much better than iron or steel, so we'd have to take much better care of that one.

Other than that, the damage that is done to our weapon would depend on our character's skill. If we have perks in swordsman, we will know how to use our weapon without damaging it too much, and that would go for every weapon and armour skill - perks would not only increase damage we deal, but also decrease the punishment our weapon takes.

I know it would be a hard system to pull off, but I feel it would be the best way to fully introduce the concept of weapon durability and making it matter, rather than being just a minor annoyance. Thing to really consider and think of, definetly would work much better than pounding at the weapon until we fully fix it, and having a success/fail chance to annoy us even more. And also more interesting than making godlike items by enhancing them.

And, to make fabled artifacts like Lord's Mail or Chrysamere even more appealing, they would be indestructible. They would need neither tempering nor re-shaping, for they'd never bend or go blunt.

Now - the smithing itself.

I think this one was also much oversimplified in Skyrim. The system was broken and for most users it took away half of the fun from exploring, since most of the time you found gear you could already craft. And the fact, that you could learn to make the most fabled and fine demonic armour just by manufacturing thousands of iron daggers isn't only unrealistic, it's also very bad in gameplay terms.
Therefore, I thought of an interesting system, that has been discussed in the chat for a long time and overall accepted by the community.
Getting a perk of a certain material, would require gaining lore pieces. Those would be resolved via side quests and questlines, and you would need 5 pieces for each perk. Fun part starts with different materials. Getting 5 lore pieces about iron would be very easy, every other smith could tell you most of it for a bit of coin or a favor. But as we climb up the ladder of material cost and rarity, it will be harder to get information on it, to the point when we will have to do whole dangerous and exciting questlines for the only bearer of such secrets, or to find a document or a book on the material. Sometimes it will also be a And the peak of that will be Daedric, incorporating a very complicated ritual that we can only learn from one person. A master - apprentice dynamic is a pretty interesting thing too, so it could be incorporated in some quests. We have unique NPC's that could tell us interesting things, like Yagrum Bagarn on the Dwemer metals. We would incorporate quite a few new locations too, Dwemer foundry, Dwemer armoury, Daedric Soulforge... We also already have quite a few ideas on that written down, but it may be better to keep it hidden, so we don't spoil the fun for most players ;)

In practice, with each perk we get we'd start a new side - quest: "collect pieces of lore on material 0/5". After we complete it, and if our smithing skill is high enough, we can get the perk and craft, fix and improve our equipment. That would serve and fix the crafting system in many ways. First, we wouldn't be able to do Skyrim style grinding and massive crafting just to get to the next perk. It would make learning it a much more of a memorable experience, also putting in a MASSIVE amount of interesting lore for the player to discover, lots of life to the NPC's and so on.

I was actually thinking this system could be expanded on other skills too. We would practice our skills and get better overall, but some perks would require us to find a teacher who can explain the theory. This would be much more interesting training system, than just spending money to get a shortcut in our skill development. Let's say, we want to learn a new fighting move with swords, which is only available by getting a perk. But we can't get the perk until we find a teacher who will tell us how to do it. That would also encourage joining factions and advancing in their ranks, as highly skilled trainers usually don't teach those who are not associated with their faction (and who knows, some good friends could teach for free). And if you want to just raise your skill rating - there are always mannequins...

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On smithing, too:

I always wondered why one would just take place at the forge, click a, click b and get an Iron Dagger. Why was every Dagger the same? Why couldn't I use my skills as a player to improve the quality of items made.

From a technical point things like heating phases, cooling phases, pressure (dealt with the hammer) and slow/fast cooling (and many more things) play a huge role in smithing. Why not incorporate that and maybe try to level smithing by that, instead of the quantity of goods made (this should be a factor, too, of course!).

In general the same goes for enchanting, alchemy etc. I'm not thinking of any particular "quest" to solve, but next to the commong skill tree there should be a player oriented crafting systems. It'd provide more fun and requires more skill imo.

One could also go into Dragomirs direction and "find out more about smithing" by exploring and finding books, or buying information about correct heat or cooling times etc. by merchants/smiths/quest givers.

In a nutshell: The crafting process itself could be improved and should have a skill component about it.

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This would also decrease the amount of raw material needed, making it less dumb to run around looking for it. If one finds some raw material and remembers that he also found some paper about it and gained knowledge about it AND then does what's needed to improve quality, that would be awesome. A simple if then task here to improve skill. Besides trial and error would have the same effect of course. But let's say one can choose from 0 to 2500°C, hitting the exact ° could be very time consuming, so exploring the world to gather the information seems more auspicious.

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> About horses, Vvardenfell's

> About horses, Vvardenfell's weather is too harsh for them. So instead, have ridable guars which get you from place to place.
= I think later when original animals will be completed, we need this on horse rig:
(author of original image is povorot on deviantart)

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Hey everyone!

Hey everyone!

hey happychappy awesome list. this list will really help us choose whats best in morrowind to add to skywind. Though I may just make a compact version of the whole thing on the top of the thread for easier accessibility. Anyway thanks for the list happychappy that really helps.

Dragomir wrote:

I really don't want Nerevarine to have any special abilities, aside from surviving corprus.

@Dragomir I actually agree. special abilities come from sign choice at the start so I think we will just keep it that way.

I also like some of your idea of the smithing but I don't think it's necessary to make a weapon completely inert of usefulness. I could see that giving problems to people. But I do like the idea of the skill fix, if it was done right. for example if we made it so when you try to sharpen/fix stuff at a low skill, then you decrease the max value of the weapon but if someone more skilled fixes or sharpens something then they bring the max value back up but fixing a blade should require an ingot to fix (which I want to make so ingots are really rare no matter the ore of the ingot). That would deal with most of the problems I could see people complaining about in the future. I think it's a given that different weapons should have different durability levels

Also I was thinking that maybe we could add two values to the blades. One value for the over all damage of the blade and one for the sharpness so we could add wet stones to make the blade more sharp and if the blade breaks then you have to smith it. but I want to get your guys opinions on that point before we made it anywhere near a "thing".

About learning the skills to craft stuff, The Idea is good but I think just searching for something for all the armors could get repetitive so I was thinking making it different for every ore type. for example you fined plans for the Dwemer armor and weapons. But if you want to learn to work with iron for example you have to learn it from someone, and you can learn light, medium, heavy armors from different people. Just an Idea.

Some Chump wrote:

1) I would like to see "resistnormalweapons" on the ghosts and undead, so only silver, daedric or spells can harm them. Skyrim already has a script running on ghosts, undead and werewolves that makes silver weapons do more damage, but all weapons can damage them.

2) Underwater attacks I think will be necessary.

3) Throwing weapons. There are 2 mods on nexusmods

Your right about the weapons that damage ghosts and stuff also magical weapons affect undead as well. I really hope to incorporate this in the game so I'll put it on the list. as for the other suggestions I pretty much have them already on my excel. smiley

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Psychedelic effects to Blight and/or the Soul Sickness.

It would be very cool if we could see the effect the powers of the Sixth House has on the mind. There are multiple disturbing dream sequences into the game, and it would be very fun to actually get to see a visual representation of those in a way.

That would be cool. Maybe a scripting scene or something of the discretion, or a picture. might implement that I"ll add it to the list.

Shushine wrote:

Um, I suppose i would like to see something similar to the wet and cold - ashes mod where ash storms affect npcs and the player by making visible ash effect and requiring the player to put on protection to see correctly.

I like the idea. I think it would be more of a mod though or a hardcore setting. I'll add it to the list.

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-I think shops should close at night like in vanilla Skyrim.

-With crime, maybe separate bounties in different areas of Vvardenfell.

-About horses, Vvardenfell's weather is too harsh for them. So instead, have ridable guars which get you from place to place.

-Make trespassing illegal like in vanilla Skyrim.

I like these ideas and I'll consider the others.

Endstufe wrote:

From a technical point things like heating phases, cooling phases, pressure (dealt with the hammer) and slow/fast cooling (and many more things) play a huge role in smithing. Why not incorporate that and maybe try to level smithing by that, instead of the quantity of goods made (this should be a factor, too, of course!).

I like this idea maybe add some perks that you can learn from people on different technique for different ore types.

Good ideas Everyone!

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>Birthsigns

>Birthsigns

This can be some innovation, but i really hope that this is good idea:
We have Skyrim system of perks, arranged in constellations + i like MW system of birthsigns.
Obviously we can create detailed effects (perks) of birthsign arranged in their constellations.
So player have some inherited effects and can develop them.

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I'm liking the ideas here.

A couple notes on horses: Dunmer believe that using horses for transportation is a waste of perfectly good meat. Guar are generally used for personal transportation and hauling relatively small amounts of goods.

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Wouldn't imperial towns and

Wouldn't imperial towns and forts have stables and imported horses?

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I don't see a reason why.

I don't see a reason why. They have magical teleportation courtesy of the Mage's Guild. Horses are expensive to import and maintain, and they'd have to keep a very close eye on them lest they get stolen and eaten by bandits. It's ultimately more cost-effective to just not bring them.

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Ya, but horses are used as

Ya, but horses are used as pack animals and quick transportation. Most likely the average imperial wouldn't know how to ride a gaur or even have a guar. Its also unlikely that everyone uses magic to get place to place and isn't that far of a stretch that the imperial legion being such a rigid military force wouldn't recognize the difficulties of bringing horse and just bring them anyways.

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yes but they have also been

yes but they have also been there a while, and many horses would have died off due to the harsh environment I think they would have clued in by then, maybe in some imperial settlements a bit farther away from red mountain like seyda neen they would still have a few horses

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Ya, Im not saying that you

Ya, Im not saying that you should find a horse in the ashlands or in the middle of red mountain... but horses could very much survive and thrive in a place like the Ascadian isles and the graze lands (though the graze lands are unlikely because there is no imperial fort and even though Tel Vos is imperial inspired its still a telvanni settlement)

Edit: I would also suggest that gaurs would be pretty much superior to horses, because they have adapted to the environment...This would include (more health, can run longer, higher attack, etc). The only advantage a horse would have it they would have a slightly faster running speed because they do not rely on bipedal movement like gaurs do. Also the addition of some horses for imperials and gaurs for dummer would also reinforce the differences between the two cultures .

Side note: If mounts are added to the game would new npcs need to be added to fulfill the role of a stable master? So you can buy mounts and not have to steal them.

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According to 'A Short History

According to 'A Short History of Morrowind' the Imperial presence on Vvardenfell only dates back to 3E 414, so they could have some. While I personally like the foreign feel Morrowind gives sans horses, it could be cool to have one unique horse that belongs to the head of the Imperial Legion. It would make for a cool reward upon completion of that questline.

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I would love to see the Dren

I would love to see the Dren plantation with a few horses and a slaughter house to show off their opulence, with horse meat on the dinner table.

Horse meat isn't common fare in Morrowind, it is a delicacy.

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horses with soldiers/guards -

horses with soldiers/guards - why not? They just should'nt to be in big contact with aborigenes, and very fast they will be dead in wilderness. But they can be used on work in Caldera, in forts and etc.

I'm more interested in fate of teleportation and interventions: how simple and available them should be?

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Why import horses, which don

Why import horses, which don't fare well in the local environment and likely have to be fed with important food, when you could just buy a guar for cheap from the locals? It just doesn't seem efficient.

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Okay, heres my final comment

Okay, heres my final comment about mounts to avoid hijacking the topic...Horses make sense because the imperial legion has only been their for 13 years and wishes to become a major power in morrowind. It would be a mistake to just rely on locals for aid. Secondly going from cyrodiil to Vanderfell is quite a bit of distance, i bet they had to transport some goods that would not of been able to carried by just men for long distances so it can be assumed they would of used horses in their initial settlement of morrowind. Thirdly, yes in many places horse would not fair well for the imperials but their are also places like the Ascadian isles that could easily support imperial live stock. Fourthly, if you look at real world horses are on every continent except Antarctica which shows that they can adapt to many different areas. Fifthly relating back to the real world the logic that the imperials would just use gaurs doesn't make too much sense because in the if that were true the Spaniards would of never brought horses to South America because they could of just used Llamas as beasts of burden. Sixthly relating to my first point, the imperial are there to stay they want to integrate morrowind into the empire culturally, economically, and militarily. One of the best ways to do this would be to set up settlements that could survive on their own which would include the inclusion of imperial livestock so even if support was cut off by the local they wouldn't so easily fall prey to attrition. Lastly imperial settlement should show imperial influences and the integration of horses (if the land can support them) would go a long way in showing the differences of imperial and dummer settlements. Okay, im done .

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You make good points. Sorry

You make good points. Sorry if I'm a bit hostile to the idea; every time "horses" and "Morrowind" are mentioned in tandem my gut wrenches (and I don't mean that in a "I'm angry" way, I can literally feel the muscles in my abdomen clench and my throat close up. I have stress issues). I just don't want to see Skywind turn into generic fantasy, and in my head horses are the first step down a slippery slope I know doesn't exist.

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alysander wrote:

alysander wrote:

We have Skyrim system of perks, arranged in constellations + i like MW system of birthsigns.
Obviously we can create detailed effects (perks) of birthsign arranged in their constellations.
So player have some inherited effects and can develop them.

I'll consider this idea but I might need to be built up upon before it would be game ready.

Twisted Logic wrote:

A couple notes on horses: Dunmer believe that using horses for transportation is a waste of perfectly good meat. Guar are generally used for personal transportation and hauling relatively small amounts of goods.

I do believe that we are adding ridable guars and about the horse ordeal. @Shushine make a valid point about the imperials importing horses into morrowind but I think maybe they need to be nerved a bit because of the vary hostile climate of morrowind. Blight I think would be a problem with the horses so maybe make it so horses walk slowly during blight storms.

I do understand your concern though @Twisted Logic so I'll do my best to implement them in a none intrusive way.

smitehammer wrote:

I would love to see the Dren plantation with a few horses and a slaughter house to show off their opulence, with horse meat on the dinner table.

I don't think this is necessary but it might be a possibility hopefully not to graphic though.

Alright people I do understand that debates are inevitable on this thread but please don't make debates overly heated. I want to keep this thread as clean as possible so I can get your ideas.

Anyway thank you guys for your participation. These ideas really help. Even little ideas are sometimes over looked. So if you have anything in mind then fill free to give the ideas. We love to hear from you. :)

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:36

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-concerning horses: I think that about 5 horses, used rather as "decorative, thriumph parade" animals by fort captains could do.

-concerning weapon/armor wearing down: I think that a system bit different to what was in Morrowind should be implemented. Rather than number of "hitpoints" that upon reaching object will break down, it should have a fixed chance to do so, like 0.01% for steel and 0.001% for ebony; Also, another higher chance of object "notching" or "dulling" which greately increases chances of it breaking down, while decreasing its stats. To fix the "dulled" sword only a portable hammer/ smithing kit would be required, but in case of objects breaking down totally- a proper stationary forge + chunk of material +skill would be required (or propel level smith npc + septims of course) to fix that gear.

-concerning smithing skills- Well, I think that -like Dragomir said - making 5*10^8 daggers shouldn't give you ability to forge daedric gear. Possibly, forging iron objects would level up only to certain point, where- to gain skill to level up further a "level breaker" should be required -like breaking down a piece of equipment of wanted material (Transitioning from iron to steel would require breaking steel mace etc.). Also differnt forges scattered across the land would be required to forge different gear or their variations+ possibly only in dwemer fortresses could you forge their weaponry.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 00:58

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Only having a few forges hot

Only having a few forges hot enough for certain materials is a good idea. It adds a reason to explore and gives more heft to the items crafted. If instead of being forged in the fires of Mount Doom, the one ring was made in Sauron's E-Z Bake oven, it would have lost some of its gravitas.

I'd prefer Dragomir's idea for crafting, wherein you learn from a master by completing quests rather than breaking down items. That's what was used to learn enchantments in Skyrim, right? That was a weak system, too - it's not an anatomy lesson. I know that's what seemed to work for Sylar, but breaking something like an ebony mace wouldn't really tell you how to temper and mold it - it would just leave you with very expensive busted mace-bits. Now excuse me while I go grind down some emeralds so I can learn to make Pinterest earrings.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 01:18

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> special forge

> special forge
= more like dwemerish presswork production line. In other cases teacher (giving you perks) suits more adequate.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 06:43

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Shops are closed at night. If

Shops are closed at night. If you find something different, we haven't added the AI to the storeowner yet. Normally stores are open 8 to 8 right now.

The different areas do have their own bounties. Digital has already added this. In fact, I wasn't sure how to clear your bounties for the TG quests because I didn't realize there are so many faction bounties to clear.

Trespassing is illegal. Actors warn you and if their dialog is setup correctly, the guards should be notified.

Quest markers are already optional. You can turn them off.

Sat, 02/15/2014 - 08:35

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My only comment would be if

My only comment would be if we're using mark and recall Id'd like to be able to have multiple marks simultaneously. The only non quest mod for morrowind I consistently used was multi mark.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:38

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Dynamic weather systems.

Dynamic weather systems.

In a conversation from earlier, the possibility was brought up for an Ashlander quest that might involve a ritual for rain, perhaps. Upon completion, a torrential deluge might occur for a few minutes in the Ashlands, and for several hours thereafter the sky could be clear - the ashlands damp for a brief spell. If possible, trama root models could have vibrant flower models tacked on, 'blossoming' for this duration, much like the blooming of cacti following rains in the American West. After a relatively short period, the ash would dry, and ashstorms would be the only storms seen in the region for the rest of the game.

Likewise, it was mentioned that Red Mountain could be subtly becoming more roiled as the main story progresses, becoming, eventually, home to a tumultuous red tempest of blight as the final encounter with Dagoth Ur is set. Of course, afterward the blight storms would end, as was seen even in the main game. Ash storms would still occur, though with less frequency.

Sun, 02/16/2014 - 20:39

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Environmental Disease

Environmental Disease

Getting bitten by a diseased animal may give you a disease, and getting bitten by a blighted animal may give you blight - but how do these diseases originate? From the environment. Certain places should give you the ability to contract a disease just being in them. Swimming in the marshes of the Bitter Coast could make you susceptible to Swamp Fever (which is a disease you can currently only get from mudcrabs, I believe), and being outside in a blight storm without proper attire could put you at great risk for contracting blight.

No Panacea / More Recipes From More Plants

You do not treat a respiratory infection with the same medication as joint pain, high blood pressure, or constipation. Yet in Morrowind, there's just 'cure disease' for everything. This is not immersive, and serves to trivialize what should be just as great an enemy as any 'monster' one might face.

I suggest each unique disease have its own potion or spell for 'curing' it, like how blight diseases are treated separate from 'common' diseases now. Of course, giving an offering at a temple shrine could still cure you of whatever disease you may have, and potion sellers would have the new potions in stock - it would just require you to plan ahead for what type of disease might await you in a certain area, and you learn more about the land and lore. Like today - if you're going to a place where malaria is common, you bring some quinine with you.

New potions to cure individual diseases means more recipes to learn if you intend to make your own potions. New plant models are already being developed for the sake of 'variety', but as of yet these new plants don't have names or 'ingredient' properties attached to them. It would be a simple enough matter to go ahead and make them 'pickable', though. We can come up with some fitting names based on their location, appearance, or cultural figures of the Dunmer (such as Saint Delyn's Bell, or Odai Lily, or Muhrahn Ashadihn [Yellow Basket in Dunmeri]). These new plants could have the new 'cure ______' properties on them - giving people a reason to explore, and enriching the setting.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:40

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No panacea => unique recipes

No panacea => unique recipes of cure is must be. Actually community can add unique venoms (effective for specific enemy) too.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 00:53

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Craftable Scrolls

Craftable Scrolls

I never understood where all those scrolls came from, if no one writes them. Scrolls are like a bank for your magicka, rewarding preparedness. You would need parchment, inks (perhaps daedra blood or something?) and a magicka store greater than what would be needed to cast the same spell (perhaps magicka to cast and a half?). Maybe it even stunts your magicka for a time, preventing you from gaining magicka back from sources other than potions until you gain 'well rested' status, at which point your regeneration returns to normal.

This way, major scrolls could earn their pricetags, and it would open up better roleplay a proper wizard. You could even make money selling scrolls to merchants. You could make a living being a wizard!

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 02:33

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Smitehammer wrote:

Smitehammer wrote:

Dynamic weather systems.

The problem is that Papyrus doesn't offer any possibility for weather. Today we cannot stop the storms from happening after completing the main quest.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 04:56

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Handling them through global

Handling them through global(s) and setting up a quest for the special weather might work?

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 05:56

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Show me how to that and I

Show me how to that and I will kiss your feet. There's no script for weather.

Mon, 02/17/2014 - 06:06

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Reusable soul gems

Reusable soul gems
Soul gem fragments in Skyrim are nothing more than minor loot. What if after enchanting we will add some fragments as refuse from soul gem? And what if we even add crafting recipe for reuse of it (or maybe some rare spell with this function).

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