Morroblivion

I'm with drago. The colors are great and people should stop complaining. There are more important things to be done than arguing over the dash color of an armor. 

The battlemage should be purple like in the concept art. It suits him much better. Purple is the colour of magic and it's similar enough to red for them to still fit into the whole red legions thing. The red and blue battlemage looks like a jester but maybe that's just because the colours are so bright. I prefer the concept art but if the final brightness and saturation looks less jester-ish then it'll be perfectly fine and almost as good as the art.

Dragomir wrote:

Ok neo-nazi. Be a little shit. I wasn't screaming and demanding, just saying what I thought.

Dragomir wrote:

And Jorgen, for the Swaróg's sake, I thought you knew anything about history. Have you ever seen what soldiers in old times, and knights especially would wear? ABUNDANCE OF COLOUR. In all freaking ages.

Yes, I understand, but that doesn't mean a modern game has to follow that example.
To clarify my issue with these colors:  Red and blue could work together, but they're placement in this just doesn't come out looking good in my opinion.  I think a lot of that has to do with the black chest piece now being gone, exposing the red of the shirt under the drape, and the hood being changed from white to the same blue as the drape.
However I also think the look will vastly improve once it is desaturated some and exposed to lighting in game.
And while I understand your frustration with what may be going on in other threads, Drago, this is the first time in this thread that you or any of the Devs have mentioned the color.

Everyone seems to be on edge here lately, I don't know what the deal is, but I think we should all just take a moment to chill out.  It's a game, the armors can easily be edited for personal use, let's not get into some internet rage-fest over some imaginary armor.

thegentlemancaller wrote:

@Vivec I hate to interject in a conversation that doesn't involve me, but... Look, I'm glad you feel comfortable to voice your opinion, but please don't instigate the devs. You could very well be banned for responding that way, whether or not you were provoked (calling someone a "neo-nazi" isn't good etiquette anywhere - real life, internet life, etc.).

Not only that, they'll take these forums to the "dev only" section of the site. The threat was made earlier in this thread and trust me when I say Dragomir means what he says. Don't do anything to ruin it for the rest of us.

Now let's keep this thread on track and keep it focused on the work being done. There's been lots of opinions thrown around about the color of the armor and it's sort of a dead horse, anyway. Let's just wait to see the end product. Heck, I don't even think the model is baked or finished yet, which means it will look quite different once completed.

Look at his avatar mate.

He says you're a neo-nazi because of the kind of 4 swastika in your avatar pic

I still see no connection. Nazi swastika has nothing to do with that symbol which is from a 1500 years old Slavic burial urn, and was closely connected to the cult of nature, seasons and sun.

You are clearly misinformed - the Nazi swastika is tilted 45 degrees, facing other way around, black in a white circle on red.

Swastika has been used for more than 5000 years as a sun and luck symbol, and to this day it is used as a symbol of buddhism and hinduism.

Now stop the spam.

^the dude. hah, but i gotta comment on all the recent progress on this thread.  My only concern now is the color scheme which is really personal preference, but also a decision about what kind of mod this is.  Whether this is a more faithful recreation or whatever we want should be reflected in every creative decision.

My preference is one color or the other and I would prefer purple as shown in the concept originally posted.  Purple cloth was featured in the original game.  There are also time and regional differences that could account for the difference in color, but I cant definitively comment, because I'm not the most informed on issues of elderscrolls lore.

Entirely different models should be made for Cyrodiil where necessary rather than bastardized recreations of each and (imo) Morrowind, the larger section, should take priority else this thing never get properly finished..  I really only see this as unwanted influence of the other mod group.  Is the Cyrodiil project going to determine art direction of even more assets for Skywind now?

If the imperial armor set isn't being used for both mods the color should be purple and the original concept closely followed.  Use red under leaders' gold heavy armor and purple robe under the chrome and leather armor as seen in the original game.

I think this is a decision important enough to ask around for more input from lore informed people.  Simply because there is one reference to the "Red Legion" does not definitely mean their robes should have red.  If they were red, and purple was a massive oversight, they should be all red.  I'd still prefer purple robe on the imperials to match the vanilla game regardless.

I can see how some people would be put off by the clashing colours, but altogether it's a really nice model and I can live with the colour scheme. In fact, I think it will make Imperial battlemages quite iconic.

Preatorian Guard wearing purple clothes/tunics/cloaks with blued steel is more ore less the pinnacle of holyywoodation of the roman empire and has no no real word foundation. the purple dye was one the the most precious communities in the classic world and was even according to some texts reserved only to be used by the emperor himself. Some sources also describe that wealthy senior senators wore a single purple strip at the side of their toga.

From Wikipedia:

Tyrian purple is a purple dye made in the ancient Phoenician city of Tyre from a secretion of Spiny Dye-Murex (Murex brandaris), a marine snail. A similar dye, "Hyacinth Purple" was made from the related Banded Dye-Murex Murex trunculus.

The dye was expensive: Aristotle assigns a value ten to twenty times its weight in gold! The fast, non-fading dye was an item of luxury trade, prized by Romans, who used it to colour ceremonial robes. Pliny the Elder described the dyeing process of two purples in his Natural History. The Roman mythographer Julius Pollux, writing in the second century CE, asserted (Onomasticon I, 45—49) that the purple dye was first discovered by Heracles, or rather, by his dog, whose mouth was stained purple from chewing on snails along the coast of the Levant.

The guard moved in size from 1000 men to 16000 in it's history. It's a tad bit unrealistic to imagine all of them clad in purple.

As for the blued steel, that was something that only came in fashion during the high to late middle ages.

I think the blue and red look fine together. This whole look is coming together quite nicely, and I'm definitely looking forward to the end product. Thanks for working hard on this eXecutex! :)

I just felt like participating in some way haha thanks for the history lesson Wrayne! ;D

It will look great either way, I'm sure of it! Nice modeling! :D

I know that Elder Scrolls is fantasy, and real life acts as an inspiration, not foundation. I just wanted to clear that misconception of the purple preatorians.

I for one really like how the mage armor looks :D. That mothbelt.

This may sound silly, but are any cloaks planned to get along these armors ? 

 

also the riften guards of skyrim had purple dyed armor so its already in the lore

This looks really awesome! great modeling and texturing skills!

this one looks almost as good as the concept guys!

JorgenGorgen wrote:

I really don't see why the Battlemage couldn't be purple while normal Legionaries are red.  The legions could still be "Red Legions" without having to do some weird blue over red color scheme for Battlemages.  They are a sort of special forces anyway, why couldn't they have a special uniform?

I will eat yo mother trucking face...All ya'll mother trucking faces if you don't stop this crazy purple talk right now. 

Discuss it somewhere else just not here.

 

Real nice.

All red wouldn't be bad if there if there is an alternative.

Hoping when you detail the hood you'll put in some of the stitching from concept though.

I'd prefer purple as well but that doesnt appear to be a primary option.  Here's what I got.  Hopefully it'll look something like this, but with hood more like Van De Bunt's concept.

maybe this has been answered already but what is the purpose of that belt that hangs on the shoulder? its not attached to anything like a bag or weapon, are you adding more to this armor?