Blocked quest "Find Brother Nads"?

I am currently playing Morroblivion 023. I decided to join the Thieves Guild and Gentleman Jim Stacey gave me the quest to find brother Nads Tharen.

I am supposed to go to the Elven Nations Corner Club in the Hlaalu district of Vivec and talk to Sovali Uvayn about that missing brother. But Sovali only says: "I don't know who you are or what argument you had with Feruren, but I want no part of it." and immediately ends to conversation. As do all NPCs in that area.

Apparently, they seem to believe that I killed the good Feruren. Which I would have had to do, had I joined the Morag Tong. But I never joined the Morag Tong and Feruren is still alive and running around in the club. He himself says that he don't know what my problem with Feruren was. Thus, the quest is quasi-blocked because the NPCs in the corner club refuse to talk to me.

Using a walkthrough, I can skip past the corner club and go directly to Thad's corpse, get the key and complete the quest (but no "final words" with Arvama because she won't talk to me).

Last edited by morroblivion-admin on 27 Jan 2014 - 18:10.

#1

The logic for this one greeting was backward. If he is NOT dead, then everybody acts like you killed him. I have changed this for v024. This is very odd because this line does not appear to have ever been touched by anybody. For now, for this quest to work, if you kill Feruren this greeting will not block things, but I don't know what other problems that might cause.

#2

That's odd--I found the exact some bug, with the exact same cause. I've created a patch for it, but I wonder what caused the bug to roll back? Maybe somebody else modified the same conversation item in the same patch and overwrote the fix?

#3

What are you mean Mooncat? This post is four versions old. The current dialog IS set properly: If GetDeadCount 0ferurenSoran > 0.

#4

I think I see the problem.

There are two dialogues here. I suspect the one you fixed was the blanket GREETING for most of the NPCs there, but the publican, Gadela Andus, has a unique response to that particular murder. For her GREETING, the condition was still set as: If GetDeadCount 0ferurenSoran > 0.

FormID for that dialogue is XX00BF97, if you want to double-check. Either way, I've bundled the fix up in my next mass bug fixes plugin. (By the way, all of the Morag Tong quest topics seem to be a mess...If I talk to them about any future target, they give me a writ, regardless of where I am in the questline or if I've even joined. I'm trying to fix it, but yeesh...massive headache.)

#5

The condition is supposed to be > 0 then people slam goodbye. It was = 0 that was the problem. Yes, the Morag Tong is a mess, and Raditz did not stick around for very long after he did it. He said he was going to finish the Treads of the Webspinner, but never did. I've been debugging it ever since. Thank you for your help; I have a hard time working up any enthusiam for fixing the Morag Tong.

#6

Sorry, that was a typo. The condition is now correct; before it was == 0.

I can understand the lack of enthusiasm. The quest chain is the most convoluted pile of dialogue I've ever encountered...sigh. I had resolved to just sit back and enjoy the game for a little while, but I seem to have a knack for joining the buggiest guilds. :P

#7

I had asked Radits to move the topics to the quests where they belong; that makes debugging a LOT easier. Instead, he moved them ALL to the fbmwMTAdvancement quest. If you do revisit the, would you Please move the topics to the quests where they belong?

#8

I've already done a pass on all those topics. If I find any other major issues with them, I'll move them.

[ADDENDUM]

I had to do some more edits in that quest's topics, so I moved all the ones I know off-hand (the Writ quests, basically) to their proper quests.