[WIP] Winged Twilight

Acheryus
Why would an immortal being have nipples? they don't reproduce and if scales are being added they are not mammals so why are nipples even being thought of? this idea just doesn't seem lore friendly to me, i have no problem with nudity in a game but it should be done in places where it is appropriate, else it just cheapens the experience to just being about sex appeal. 

PSYCH_PARADIGM0: This is a enough adequate. I cant disagree.
PSYCH_PARADIGM1: They are just descendants of mortals changed by Azura much more that in case of dunmers.
PSYCH_PARADIGM2: They have them to terrify mortals, but i am not sure that i must post such screenshots here.

Why would an immortal being have a face? It doesn't need to express emotions. Why would it have wings? If it can plane shift, what is flying good for? Why would it have a tail with a scorpion sting? Why would it have scales? If it's immortal it wouldn't need to protect itself. Why would it need a mouth? It doesn't eat.

First, my problem was with a scale bra, not nipples. Secondly, normal laws of biology don't apply to Daedra. If Azura wanted her Twilights to have nipples, they would have. Would Azura want to? Why not? If she made them look like beautiful women much of her own likeness, but disfigured by demonic parts, she might want to keep some of the appeal too. Or not. Breasts without nipples I said I'd be fine with - they'd look weird, but that's what Daedra are. If they had nipples I'd be fine too. They could be a nod to Azura's motherly nature. I don't know how this could be seen as lore unfriendly.

 

What I don't want is scales to be placed in a way that obviously says "lets cover that for decency", Daedra don't know that idea. I just don't want a bra made of scales. And seriously, look at the picture above. Even if it had nipples there's no talk of sex appeal, unless you're seriously desperate.

> What I don't want... ...Daedra don't know that idea.
= I think everybody get it. But it would be just more consistent with bird_chest.

> If it's immortal it wouldn't need to protect itself.
= Then why they are dying (at least in this plane) when i hit them with my sword?

> Secondly, normal laws of biology don't apply to Daedra.
= Then why they have hearts? Blood and other organs?

The model is nice, but the way she is standing is really strange. The fact that her pelvis is more advanced than her chest give here a wierd stance. It almost looks like she is about to fall on her back. On the original concept art, she looked a lot more threatening, and powerfull.

(sorry for the bad english)

alysander> What I don't want... ...Daedra don't know that idea.
= I think everybody get it. But it would be just more consistent with bird_chest.

What? The scaly bra thing?

alysander
> If it's immortal it wouldn't need to protect itself.
= Then why they are dying (at least in this plane) when i hit them with my sword?

Only their emanation on Tamriel dies. They reform in Oblivion intact.

alysander
> Secondly, normal laws of biology don't apply to Daedra.
= Then why they have hearts? Blood and other organs?

Because of abnormal laws of biology, which is simply "because their creators wanted them to". Besides, Daedra don't really create. They mix and match what's already created. That's why most lesser Daedra are made of parts of many living creatures. Azura obviously used elven females as a template for her Twilights, and elven females had nipples. At least in Battlespire and lore, in games they usually had a fixed permabra.

 

tetramir

The model is nice, but the way she is standing is really strange. The fact that her pelvis is more advanced than her chest give here a wierd stance. It almost looks like she is about to fall on her back. On the original concept art, she looked a lot more threatening, and powerfull.

(sorry for the bad english)

That's just how the base model is done. The stance will be different after she's rigged, we'll be able to pose her any way we like.

 

In fact IT stay quite close to hag (probably rig base). And i think it need to be pose like that, because this pose also alike pose on the concept.
 

*This post is a reply to Smerk, a post which he removed. Said basically that I'm trying to "force nudity" in the mod.*

DragomirFirst, my problem was with a scale bra, not nipples. Breasts without nipples I said I'd be fine with

Learn2read, cause I'm getting tired of repeating myself too.

Besides, it's up to Eloth, Happy and Ravanna if they accept it if modeller is willing to do that. Stop turning it into another Molag's Balls, I'm not forcing anything.

> turning it into another Molag's Balls
= I was sure that i got dejavu. Now its all fixd.

Sorry to interfere, but did't you forget that, uhm, bone sticking from its chest? It looks less bird-like and creepy and more like a standard winged chick without one.

ok heres the good news. Hagraven is perfect rig.
the bad news is that i had to gut most of your model to reposition it.

On the plus side, I redid some of the work for u and will now be easier for u to sculpt.

Out of curiousity, why did you guys choose the hagraven for a base to rig to? That sort of means the Winged Twilight's going to be in scoliosis pose unless you can modify the animations.

Stairmasternem

Out of curiousity, why did you guys choose the hagraven for a base to rig to? That sort of means the Winged Twilight's going to be in scoliosis pose unless you can modify the animations.

 

We can modify animations. 

Annnnddd the choice seems perfect to me now due to that alone. Of course I understand that's a not-priority at this point, knowing the capability is there is good though. 

Dragomir

*This post is a reply to Smerk, a post which he removed. Said basically that I'm trying to "force nudity" in the mod.*

DragomirFirst, my problem was with a scale bra, not nipples. Breasts without nipples I said I'd be fine with

Learn2read, cause I'm getting tired of repeating myself too.

Besides, it's up to Eloth, Happy and Ravanna if they accept it if modeller is willing to do that. Stop turning it into another Molag's Balls, I'm not forcing anything.

Bit late for my two cents but I am having difficulties refraining from mentioning this...

 

...Ogrim's nipple rings...

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Saying this now, the hagraven would get the job done it would just require a little ingenuity from the animator who's handling it. Keep in mind there's no rule in skyrim saying the actors feet have to be touching the ground.

Is this topic still open for debate?

 

I think we were gonna repose the current sculpt to the gargoyle.
Hagraven is too slow and already used for hunger. (though the hunger has the same issue of speed)



 

She's beautiful! Only the tail is a bit short, but really beautiful.

Can she be a bit more ugly?

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1) can it use werewolf rig?
2) can it be transformable from beautiful delightful girt to smth more ugly?

alysander

>
1) can it use werewolf rig?
2) can it be transformable from beautiful delightful girt to smth more ugly?

wouldnt it than be beter to go whit vampire lord ? because that guy got wings   to bad hey doesnt flap them when hey is floating but hey got them

I think that her level of beauty is currently spot on, especially since she is a daedra from Azura's realm. Gargoyle or Vampire Lord I think are the best skeletons for her.

The right rig is the gargoyle, the werewolf rig is already used alot, and frankly it would not fit at all .

The vamp lord rig is to avoid too , it feels "unique" and I'd reserv that for more important characters.

The only thing that has to be clarified is if will receive new animations, in that case it would be possible to give it a " false flying " behaviour with the gargoyle rig . 

A false flight is what dragonpriest, seekers and wisps do , they don't float , but they looks like they do.

You do realize that the speed of the creature is a variable we can easily redefine. We can make the hagraven fast. Also it would be advisable to not rig anything to creatures with wings as they use the same logic as the kajits/argonians tale. I plan on doing a lot of fun things as far as the animation goes. It will be awesome to have a project that doesn't need anything more complex than an animation.

Also needs more scales and to be less red.

My post was more about transformation than a rig.
I think this can be more adequate way to combine beauty with daedra.

The beauty from a winged twilight was the thing I liked in the first place. A Daedra that doesn't look like a mixture between a human an a horrific demon.

They were meant to be messengers from Azura so they shouldn't be ugly. Would be hard to deliver a message when the one getting it is running away in fear...

Will she be scaly?