comments/feedback on Morroblivion

I once also suggested disabling fast travel (which you can do yourself) but I soon found myself missing fast travel. Oblivion did improve on some things over Morrowind, such as graphics, combat, AI, and I believe fast travel is a good thing.

Imagine going to that remote necromancer stronghold Vas which is a long journey in itself only to travel all the way back to civilization. Traveling back from a location in Morrowind was always a bee-atch, and I think Oblivion did something right there.

Now as far as TES4 being in TES3's engine? Are you kidding me? Yeah, because I want to do that awesome complex Morrowind combat, which is slash, hack, and stab.

Don't get me wrong, Morrowind has a way better world, story, and atmosphere, but the engine sucks. That's why we use the Oblivion engine. I know, they dumbed the skills down and took a few cool weapons out, and I don't agree with that, but overall Oblivion's engine is hella better. Just look at the walking animations of Morrowind, or how people just stand around all day and night doing nothing.

I'm just happy my game is sweetened by the taste of Morrowind.

Basicly canceling fast travel means you are not letting morrowind have the Oblivion features. I've always belived this is not designing Morrowind from the beggining. If everything stays the same, so what's the point working? Just a better resolution?

"the combat system can as easily be redone as eg. FCOM does with TES4 (such mods are, actually, existing for TES3).  Same goes for animations and stuff, starting with BB and Better Heads up to cooler combat anims than for TES4. "

I would be interested in a better combat system for Morrowind. Could you post a link?

@Rekuli

I found Oblivions quest design was more complex than MW so I don't understand what you mean by "go there, slay all, bring me that". That sounds more like MW too me.

As for combat thats one of the major reasons people would want to play this over Morrowind, you may not like it. But alot of people do and there going even further with the idea in Skyrim.  MW engine is old and dated(and so is OB at this point) but I think OB engine would generally be consider the better engine. Modding is harder because OB is a more complex systems in place, radiant AI and voice acting for example.

OB mods forum has twice the activity of the MW mod forum all most as much as MW, FO3 and FNV combined. Just because you don't like it or many other aspect of OB(fast travel) does not me they should not be there for others. Esp true in the case of fast travel, just don't use it if you don't like it. I use to fast travel in MW its called using the console, now its much easier, I also want the quest compass to be added, radiant AI and this is highly unlikely but voices all things that made Oblivion a better experience for me.

As for mods like Living Cities and MCA they don't come close to being radiant AI and there is yet no combat mod that completely recreates OB type combat. Just because something can be done is not relevant, what matters is the current state of things for those choosing to play this over MW. And vice versa.

@Rekuli

When I asked for a link, I wasn't being sarcastic. I truly am interested in a mod that improves Morrowind's animations. I have looked on tesnexus and planetelderscrolls and Google for a couple years now(I'll check out that one you mentioned), but there are no substantial animation mods. By that I mean, yes there are some Morrowind animation mods out there, but no good combat ones from what I've seen. Hell, even the better walking and running mods for Morrowind don't look as good as Oblivion's stock animations. So if you do find a mod that improves combat animations, or even walking/running, please let me know. I would appreciate it a lot.

Now for once, I actually agree with Kefka :)  Morrowind has a better story and atmosphere. The way they wrote their stories/quests made up for the fact that 99% of Morrowind quests are either kill NPC/save NPC/retrieve object/plant object. I'm not knocking Morrowind, they did well with the technology they had back then. They wrote cool quest stories on why you had to "kill NPC/save NPC/retrieve object/plant object," but in the end, it came down to one of these four types. When you think about it, that's what most missions are in TES, including Oblivion, but at least it wasn't so straight forward in Oblivion. I would say there are more puzzles in Oblivion than Morrowind.

So actually Morrowind is more hack and slash in a sense.

Now someone please answer me this: I understand a lot of people love turn-based games, particularly RPG ones. The only one I liked was Pokemon old versions back in the day. But why do people like turn-based? I think realtime combat is more realistic and more challenging, because you have to think on your feet. I don't understand hitting someone, then waiting for them to hit me, and then repeat. That just isn't how the world works. The enemy would laugh if I asked him to wait while I think about my next attack. But seriously, if there are some good points to turn-based that I haven't been introduced to, I would love to hear them. *no sarcasm*

My dream is to have Morrowind in Skyrim engine and then there would be peace :)

Hey, one can dream....

@Robert I guess I don't just mindlessly type all nonsense then!

I use to be a console player when I was younger and played dozen of turn based rpgs, like the Final Fantasy's for example. I enjoyed the strategic combat, kind of like playing a strategy game, one of the things I like about rpgs was they were based on thinking not twitch reflexes, I was never that good at stuff like Street Fighter or racing games,etc either it was the thinking mans games I liked and turn based combat was that. At the time all the action rpgs I played were so simplistic like Secret of Mana or even much later near the end of my console days when I played Morrowind for XBox. It was just mindless botton smashing.

But Oblivion change that.  No longer was combat mindless button smashing nor was it overly reflex based, the basic were still easy enough for those who did not play action games like myself. But now the combat was much more strategic, and also felt like you were really fighting, like something out of a fantasy movie with the back and forth blocking/attacking mechanic.

Its the same with the Fallouts, it makes fps shooter style combat accessible to people like me. I have attempted to play a few fps(like Crysis because of the graphics and Fry Cry 2 because the open world) because of FO3 but even on the lowest difficulty I could not get anywhere, much too hard for me(and I did not want to try to get better because there is nothing to do in those games other than combat). But Fallout 3 and NV gave me great fps style combat with an accessible rpg take.

Now Skyrim is going to make combat even more awesome and Kingdom of Amalur perhaps even more so. Both will have big boss size monsters(that other games have had for years)finishing moves and all kinds of other cool things. Yet without any complex combo controls and an stat driven rpg base. Good stuff.
I never understood why rpgs can't have all the awesome stuff other games have, like Todd Howard said you can do anything in an rpg. I love the direction Beth is taking TES and I love the fact that there is a new AAA open world rpg maker on the marker(38 studios) as I don't play very many game other than open world rpgs anymore.

Yeah, I guess I see where you're coming from. Turn-based is kinda like a card game, it's a different type of thinking rather than being quick on the draw with a revolver.

Just played Fallout 3 a couple months ago for my first time. Great game.

Yeah, Skyrim's combat is going to be awesome. Looks like they took a couple cues from the Deadly Reflex mod. Bummer that mod conflicts with Morroblivion.

rekuli wrote: "-- missing the eight official Bethesda DLC (Entertainers, Adamantium Armor, Area Effect Arrows, Ebon Ore Artifact, LeFemmArmor, Propylon Master Index, Siege at Firemoth, Bittercoast Sounds) and the addition of the "Firemoth" island chain to the Vvardenfell map"

I'd love to see this content in Morroblivion, especially the Fort Firemoth quest. Are there any plans to implement this at some point?

I thought Oblivion had much better and more interesting quests than MW. And while not a major things, the physics in Oblivion also added to my sense of immersion in the game. I don't want realistic unless it makes the game better, being able to knock an enemy way into the air was awesome(though it rarely happened). Same thing with Fallout I don't care that realistically there would not be so much blood and gore and constant limb/heads being severed its just more fun that way. And getting back to OB's physics, I love watching beast tumble down the mountains and seeing my arrows stick into and deflect off objects.

Lack of more complex combat, radiant AI and full voice work are also things that show MW's age. Thats not to say I don't like MW, its a fantastic game but its also a game of its time and things have evolved. Yet even though its dated there are still things I like about it more than Oblivion, It has better world design, lots more towns, more armor slots and equipment and a great UI(except the journal).

And with Mods MW is much improved, but the same can be said for Oblivion. And because of the OB engine there are more possibility's than MW, mods can more easily have: voice work, much more sophisticated AI for npcs, use physics and combat can be even further enhanced. But as I said before it does not matter what can be done with mods but what has been done, so if you want Oblivion style combat or physics MorrOB is the way to go. Perhaps in the future that will change but not now.

Kia Ora

Great work guys I love what I seen, I just figured this would be worth a mention

for info's shake, if you don't know you can't sort it if it needs to be

I tried to load the esm into TES4Gecko and got an error causeing it not to load

Copied from the dialoge box

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TES4Gecko.PluginException: Morrowind_ob.esm: CSTY record is incomplete

TES4Gecko.PluginRecord.Load(PluginRecord.java:1243)

TES4Gecko.Group.Load(PluginGroup.java752)

TES4Gecko.Plugin.Load(Plugin.java:1309)

TES4Gecko.CreateTreeTask.run(CreateTreeTask:97)

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Hoping this helps, it not a winge BTW

I notice also I get an error from Bash when I do a Bash patch

BTW does the site set doublespace or somit by default?

Kia Ora

That heading says Comments and feed back right? what do you mean wrong topic?

Sorry if English is not your first language, what I'm saying there is that is the error out put I get when trying to

open Morrowind_ob.esm in TES4Gecko or if I try to merge some of my esps that have that in their master list.

I sort I'm feeding back that there might be an error in the master file

These three coments:

-- with Morroblivion being an ESM, Oblivion cannot handle things too well, eg. race altering mods like Ren's or COBL Races, which get partly un-done by Morrowind_ob.esm and this in turn "enforces" diverse crashes --- ever wondered why Bethesda integrated Shivering Isles into Oblivion.esm?  That's exactly why.  You should split the Morrowind_ob into a library ESM and the actual landscape/people/quest ESP, then there would be no need anymore to load the ESM first (which clashes with diverse other mods).  You ought to change this.

-- missing Armor: Chitin greaves, Redoran Watchman armor, the other Bonemold cuirasses (Armun-An, Gah-Julan, Redoran Founder, etc), and some others

-- missing the eight official Bethesda DLC (Entertainers, Adamantium Armor, Area Effect Arrows, Ebon Ore Artifact, LeFemmArmor, Propylon Master Index, Siege at Firemoth, Bittercoast Sounds) and the addition of the "Firemoth" island chain to the Vvardenfell map

are valid bug reports and I have added them to the Bugs and Issues Tracker - please use it for legitimate issues.  The rest of the original post is opinion.