Morroblivion

looks cool

hmmm looks good but ebony isn't stone what about you take the skyrim skil tree as basis

every noob should be abel to handel iron because its pretty basic andmelting could be depending on the materiaal be link to the perk u got like dwarven metal would only be possibel whit the dwarven  perk

like this see attachment  so u stil got the heavy and licht armor thingie  and daedric would be the best there is and stalhrim

 dont take the stuf i say to serieus alysander i am no1 

and i am not sure what the halkolithic age is but iron is need it for everything not only armor so i am pretty sure the got a source of iron some where even if its only tru trade 

also this is my first attachment here so i am not sure it works any 1 els seeing this ?

Right, there was some chat about this in the... chat.  Vvardenfell is a volcanic island, so fictitious volcanic glass like ebony and glass are in plentiful supply, but heavy metals should be non-existant.

Iron would not exist in minable veins.  It would likely exist in the form of bog-iron, perhaps along the bitter coast.  These are tiny little pellets of iron that precipitate in the acidic environment of bogs after being condensed by bacteria which use iron as a base for biological compounds (like heme in humans).  Bog-iron is what the vikings used to make most of their weapons - but it's not mined.  It's collected from turning over peat moss and smelting down the pellets trapped in the somewhat 'organic rock' - eventually - into ingots.  If added, bog-iron smelting should be a tedious process.  Taking loads of heavy bog-iron to smelt down into an ingot of iron.  Iron should be much more readily available to players that join the imperial legion and purchase from the garrison smiths.
 

Orichalcum shouldn't exist outside the Wrothgarian and Dragontail mountains (and maybe northern parts of Hammerfell).  It should have never even been in Skyrim - otherwise why wouldn't the Nords be using it to craft THEIR heritage armor?  Skyrim did a piss-poor job of making sense.

Same with 'moonstone', whatever the hell that's supposed to be.  This stuff should only be found in the Summerset Isles, or else it wouldn't be unique to the craft of the high elves.

Trollbone - no trolls, no bones.  Of course some suits of it would be imported from Skyrim, but it shouldn't be craftible.

Dwemer - While I recognize the metal exists and could be 'smelted down' into ingots, the knowledge of how the metal was forged was lost with the dwemer.  There is only one person alive who would know how to work with Dwemer brass, and that's Yagrum.  Think of it as though you went around melting a lot of high-quality katanas, and tried to make a new one without knowing the secret of folding steel.  It's the craftsmanship - not just the metalurgy, that was lost with the Dwemer.

Armorer skill should still let you, however, maintain and even improve the weapons in these uncraftible categories you find.  Removing oxidative damage, honing the blade, hammering out dents, etc.  More in line with what Morrowind had.

Precious metals like copper, silver and gold, should only be gotten through trade - and not really reliable sources for ingots.  Go to one of those 'cash for gold' places and see how many rings and ear rings it takes to make one standard ingot.  I'm not sure the Imperial Legion would even bother carrying such luxury goods as ingots.  Silver MIGHT be kept on hand for the Imperials to craft weapons from, to kill 'em some ghosts.  If you want precious metal jewelry, go buy or steal it.  Probably from a Nord, Breton, Imperial, Redguard or Khajiit.  Dunmer don't seem to favor gold, except for gilding armors of house Indoril.

If you want to make your own jewelry, you've still got lots of native possibilities.  Ebony and glass (and in Bloodmoon, perhaps Stahlrim) for settings, pearls in abundance, all manner of gemstones (especially diamonds), iridescent beetle elytra, mother-of-pearl, bone, beads.  Exquisite jewelry is hella 'spensive, and seems to be made from these rare gems and beautifully exotic types of materials, more predominantly than lame Western 'gold'.

In short, it would make sense to limit the mines to:  ebony, glass, gems, eggs.  Limit crafting to: bonemold, corkbulb, chitin, glass, ebony, netch leather, dreugh, silver iron steel and Nordic steel (from Imperial Legion ingots).  Please keep daedric out of the hands of crafters - it should be a rare find to encourage exploration/murder of Divayth Fyr.

Also, what the hell is Limeware supposed to be?  It's fancy as all get-out is all I know.  I guess it must be imported from somewhere?

arnt u 2 over thinking it? its a game also is the skil there to even change the perk tree

i for 1 like the way forging was in skyrim even if a big part was forging a lot of the same thing to get a lv up it was good but simpel system 

also why would Orichalcum  be non exsistend beyond the orc home region so far i knowe it can be found every where but orcs got the skil to handel it (also the yokudans but the are exstinct) same whit moonstone it was first a elven secret howe to work moonstone that why elvs work whit it 

also never playt morrowind so forgive my noob like thing but morrowind doese it have elven armor ?

and daedric i would love to be abel to craft it even if its super hard to do 

@no1: i cant understand big parts of text explicitly. Play to Morrowind. Elven weapons was added in TES4.
@ZeroSbr: i think in MW you need to create new character anyway.

alysander wrote:

@no1: i cant understand big parts of text explicitly. Play to Morrowind. Elven weapons was added in TES4.
@ZeroSbr: i think in MW you need to create new character anyway.

Not really, some people are actually making an effort to make it so that you can use an existing character. I think a compatibility version is more than warranted for this. I and probably many others simply don't have enough room for a bunch of patches that we shouldn't be forced to have in the first place.

I'd bet a lot of people want to use an existing character, not the majority of course, but a fair bit.

Oh and I think you should also be able to melt glass into glass plates as a seccond option to make this armor by Kurasaki

But by doing so the glass loses some strength and doesn't give as much protection as the tribal glass armor which consist out of many diffrent pieces of glass. Or it degrades faster, if that function will be in the game

The tribal glass by Kurasaki

no1 wrote:

arnt u 2 over thinking it? its a game also is the skil there to even change the perk tree

"It's only a game!" "It's only a movie!" "It's only a book!"

I never understood this argument.  It's not even an argument!  What if Tolkien decided, "It's only a children's book.  It doesn't need fully functional languages, or fleshed out anthologies and histories, or geological consistencies."  Don't you see?  That's what gives his universe depth!  It's what makes up the rich tapestry of good fiction!  That sort of commitment to depth in storytelling should be our goal, here.  There is art in the science.

alysander wrote:

No offense, but i think that is timeparadox and plot nonsense. I plan to use for 4E mods like Shadow of Morrowind.

Not everyone cares about stuff like that to that degree.

Besides, someone was working on a "lore-friendly" travel method last I heard, so I fail to see why this can't be done. If this mod were hosted on the Nexus, would you guys be so slow to make it work with other mods? With the amount of people that would whine, probably not. Sure, compatibility can wait until the end, unless waiting until the end would make it even more cumbersome. 

Also, I don't see SoM getting done for a while. Perhaps not even by the time the next TES is out.

alysander wrote:

> Not everyone cares about stuff like that to that degree.
= That's really bad. This is why we can't have nice things.

> "lore-friendly" travel method last
= Will be nice.

That's "really bad"? Dude, it would be a completely optional plugin, I don't think it should be forced on someone if they don't want it. At the same time, I don't think we should force someone to start over. Sure it was originally a separate game, but now it's been turned into a mod. You'll make an installer for it designed to be a completely separate game, and that's fine, but what about the people who want a choice as far as starting over or not? This is why I think a standalone compatibility version would be nice, or at least make the mod work with others as much as possible. As Jobe said a while back in a different topic, we need to get this out to as many people as possible.

You shouldn't make this incompatible with Skyrim IMO. One of the major draws for this and Morroblivion is that you can do both games' questlines on the one character. It mightn't make much sense but if the player doesn't care, that's fine or they can make up their own headcanon reason. Plus, they may want to do Skywind first and then Skyrim which would make perfect lore-friendly sense since the Nerevarine gets corprus which stops aging.

> you can learn how to craft the legendary Daedric armor by simply mass producing iron daggers
= that's strange new world. Actually you can became eventually Governor of California by lifting heavy things.
Seriously, idea with teachers is better.

Maybe you can also add temporary buffs to weapons. for example you sharpen a sword at a grindstone so it does more damage, but this effects will only last so many hits before it becomes as dull again as when you found it/crafted it.

Just trowing some ideas out there. I do agree that smiting is overpowered and repetitive in skyrim.

Attempt to organize all Skywind crafting (except cooking, now) plausible in one image. 
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CRAFTING STATIONS:
Black boxes = Skyrim model exist.
Green boxes = New model exist.
Red boxes = It need new model to be realized.



POTTER'S WHEEL
Can be based on: Grindstone model + animations.
Function: producing pots/bottles/dishes from clay.

DISTILLER/EXTRACTOR
Can be based on: Smelter model + animations.
Function: refining substances: poisons, alcohol, skooma and some other ingredients (such as creating ingr from some food items).
+ Wine => Alcohol/Spirits
+ Moon sugar => Skooma
+ Ash yam (food item) => Ash yam extract (ingredient)
+ Bittergreen petals => Bitterblack (poison)

MILL
Can be based on: Mill (vanilla) model + animations.
Function: making powder.
+ Saltrice => Saltrice flour
+ Bones => Bonemeal
+ Atronach parts => Atronach ingredients
+ Raw glass/raw ebony (misc items) => Glass/Ebony powder (ingredient) - not sure about it.
+ Dying seeds => Dyes

KILN
Can be based on: Oven (Hearthfire) model + animations.
Function: ceramics baking.

CRYSTAL GROWER
There are some giant crystals in mages' caves and towers, but they are some purposeless. I think it should be corrected.
Function: restoring soulgems from fragments (that produced as junk when player enchanting smth).
Will be good if that will be continuous process (so growers will be like plants, that need fertilization with fragments)
Soulgem fragments => Soulgem

PSYCHOGRAPH
Can be based on: Draft table (Hearthfire) model + animations.
Function: drafting tomes and scrolls with some of woodoo geometry and soulgems.
+ Charged soulgem + Partchment/Paper + Inks => Scrolls
+ Charged soulgem + Partchment + Inks => Spelltomes (or may be some other item giving you spells)

BOULDER
Can be based on: food-cooking variant.
Function: many recipes that require boiling.
+ Tallow => (Liquid) fat
+ Ash + Fat => Soap
+ Dyes + Thread/Cloth => Dyed thread/cloth
+ Some tribal witches "alchemistry" recipes (should have side_effects, but be powerful/unique)
+ Boiling and dying leather/netch
+ Kagouti/Alit/Netch hide (misc item) => Boiled leather + Kagouti/Alit/Netch hide infusions (ingredient)
+ Making inks and other stuff

I think some of Crafting stations that could be placed in Ashlanders or Telvanni environment should be much simpler and crude than their Skyrim analogue. They are : Enchantment rack, Carving workplace and Sewing kit. Also IMHO can be used cross-legged sitting - based animation for working with them. Tables are rare thing in tents.

For Alchemy analog in low-tech places like this could be used some modified Cooking pots/Cauldrons, and used recipe system of crafting, not Alchemy.

ENCHANTMENT RACK
Can be based on: (vanilla enchantment altar of cooking rack) i think better use cross-legs sitting animation with some altered hand animation (spellcasting).
Function: enchantment.
Process leads to destruction of soulgem, so you get its fragments.

CARVING WORKPLACE
Can be based on: (nothing) i think better use cross-legs sitting animation with some altered hand animation (carving).
Function: all stone-like material (stone, glass, ebony, stalhrim) items (armor, weapons) should be produced here.
Workplace should be simple/primitive enough to organically suits ashlanders tents and nords huts.

SEWING KIT
Can be based on: (nothing) i think better use cross-legs sitting animation with some altered hand animation (carving).
Function: all cloth-like material items (cloth, leather, netch) items (armor, wear, boots) should be produced here.
Workplace should be simple/primitive enough to organically suits ashlanders tents and nords huts.

(will be updated later)

GRINDSTONE
Function: should provide some temp bonus for weapons. Not using ingots and other stuff.
Sure you cant sharp your bow or crossbow. This would be nonsense.

this looks intresting it would make crafting a lot harder  in a simple way whit out messing whit the perk tree  it was super simpel in skyrim  not sure about dyeing stuf maby a bit to much  fibers/wool could be a side product from tanning leather from mammals and cloth should be ust whit  almost every armor because wel a lot of morrowind armor usses cloth to look good and cover stuf up 

(playing a lot of modet minecraft this crafting reminds me of that) 

also looking at it those workbenches could al the be the same thing but depending on the tools that are on it / what u are caring around be ust for different things 

> For Bonemold crafting, the station could also be used for Chitin
= I think it could be better to combine organic materials (Wood, Chitin, Dreugh, Bone) in one Crafting station : Workbench or Carpenter's workbench.

Carpenters use glue too. In reality it is just thick gelatic from bones, cartilages and fish's scales. Can be made in boulder.

> cloth itself and clothing would be made from a loom station
= may be it's can be made with some sort of movable kit. But will be good to make some workplace for city's tailors.

Then i think you could make it more "tribal".
IMHO it should'lnt be a table. It could be as devastating for environment as metal keyhole on Falmer's chest.
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More like some workplace on the ground or something like anvil (animation of cooling item with water can be used as some gluing.. or smth).