Hello,
I apologize in advance if this is posted in an inappropriate area for this sort of thing, but first browsed the Bugs and Issues area and didn't feel that it quite fit there. I also saw in the Bugs and Issues report "Sirrollus Saccus and Avus Belvilo Don't Train?" that Dave B apparently has a request for training help posted somewhere, but was not able to locate that. So, I'm sharing it here and hoping that this thread can be redirected to an appropriate area if necessary.
At any rate, while playing the Morrowblivion complete install V051 I noticed that a few master trainers I hunted down IG after looking them up on UESP (namely Missun Akin, Master Marksman Trainer and Seryne Relas, Master Alteration Trainer) never offered their training services.
I have no experience in modding and minimal skill with the Construction Set, but I researched AI packages to see what could be causing the training services to not be offered. What I found was that the two master trainers I had observed IG as never offering training services had the AI package "aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512" listed as their first package in the list. Missun Akin's AI screen looked like this:
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/AsteriaSennall/Scree...
Again, I don't really know much about AI, but from what I read it seems from the above that the aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512 package would be run constantly based on the criteria it had enabled. I then looked inside that package and discovered that the Offer Services box was unchecked. Here is a screenshot of that:
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r312/AsteriaSennall/Scree...
I believe that this is what was causing those two trainers, at least, to not offer their services.
In order to test my theory, I created an ESP with the aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512 package having the Offer Services option checked and moved it to the end of my Morroblivion mods in the load order. When I reloaded the game the trainers were fixed and offering their services as they should be.
So... My question to those wiser than myself is: would enabling the Offer Services option negatively affect something else?
If this is an appropriate fix, then I would be happy to save others the minimal efforts I put into this fix by sharing my 'patch' ESP file. If there is another, better way to handle this issue I would appreciate learning what it is. If someone could offer some guidance on this I would appreciate it!
Thank you very much!
Best regards,
Jessica
Hi Jessica,
I am not an expert,but in my opion,if those trainers now offer training and give the correct training,then your .esp file could be used and intergrated into the master later.
But don`t quote me on this as Dave B is the guy in charge of the master file.
My advice would be not to edit aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512 package directly, because it will affect all NPCs who use it. Also it's a vanilla package so editing it increases chances of conflict.
Instead you can edit package lists of specific NPCs you want to change. Judging by the screenshot you don't even have to add new packages, just delete aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512 leaving them with aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill.
Alternatively, if you want them to wander around, you can delete both and add something like aaaServicesEditor512.
Thank you both!
Based on qwertyasdfgh's suggestion, I'll go back and inspect the master trainers tonight and see how I can modify their AI packages lists instead of modifying the packages themselves. That's a very common sense suggestion, so I've just had a duh moment :)
Since it seems that the trainers that are not working correctly probably just haven't been setup with AI yet, I'll try my hand at giving them a fleshed-out AI routine like some already have (such as Abelle Chriditte) and potentially save someone else the trouble since I'm attempting to work on it anyway.
I'll be sure to document all changes I make so that those with more experience can review it and offer their input.
Thanks again for the replies!
Best regards,
Jessica
Alright, I've finished going through the list of Morrowind master trainers (found on the UESP site) and made changes to the NPC AI package lists as necessary. These changes have been saved to an ESP file called: Morrowind_ob - Trainer AI Patch.esp
This esp is available at: http://www.mediafire.com/?74p6po6t4diua58
Please comment on any issues or suggestions for changes!
The Short Description
I've modified the AI package lists of the following NPCs:
Erer Darothril
Ernse Llervu
Khargol Gro-Boguk
Missun Akin
Seanwen
Senyndie
Seryne Relas
Shardie
Sirollus Saccus
Taren Omothan
Ulms Drathen
Yakin Bael
Long Description
Below is a detailed list of the changes made to the NPCs and some comments about NPCs I didn't change, but noticed something about that I wanted to bring attention to:
Senyndie (Acrobatics Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Seryne Relas (Alteration Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOMageCastAlt10x2 – package I created
MOEat12x2
MOMageRead16x4
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Comments: I created a package identical to MOMageCast210x1 for her. The only difference being that the duration is 2 hours instead of 1 and it specifies that she will only cast Alteration spells. I guess a master of Alteration would not really need to ‘practice’ Alteration spells, but I figured she would be doing this while the player was watching, so maybe it’s her way of demonstrating the powers of Alteration. That or she just wants to keep on top of her game because practice maintains perfect! ;)
Sirollus Saccus (Armorer Master)
Originally had: aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Comments: Originally did not have the Armorer training box selected (even though the value was set to 100), so I checked it. Hope that was just catching an oversight and not affecting trainer balance…
Shardie (Block Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Ernse Llervu (Hand-to-Hand 71)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Comments: She was the master trainer in blunt weapons, but I see that she was assigned expert training in hand-to-hand. This was probably because Alfhedil Elf-Hewer was assigned master trainer status for blunt weapons. I’m not really happy with that choice (since Ernse Llervu is described in the book Hallgerd’s Tale as being ‘the greatest master of the club’), but my project scope is to only add AI packages where they are needed to those NPCs listed as Morrowind master trainers. Therefore, I’ve left her alone as an expert hand-to-hand trainer.
Methal Seran (Conjuration Master)
Comments: He was setup with packages that do not allow him to offer services while eating or sleeping. Other master trainers were given the MO packages which do allow services to be available while doing the package activity, but I’ve decided to leave Methal’s packages alone since they are at least present. If anyone thinks it would be a good idea to switch him over to using the MO package equivalents of the aaa ones, I will consider doing so.
Leles Birian (Destruction Master)
Comments: She only has the aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill package, but as she is located in the middle of a road I decided not to give her any other AI. She offers her services as she should, so that’s good enough for me. I wouldn’t want her wandering off to look for a bed or a chair and make her difficult to locate for the player.
Taren Omothan (Hand-to-Hand Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Seanwen (Heavy Armor Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Erer Darothril (Illusion Master)
Comments: He was setup with packages that do not allow him to offer services while eating or sleeping. Other master trainers were given the MO packages which do allow services to be available while doing the package activity, but I’ve decided to leave Erer’s packages alone since they are at least present. If anyone thinks it would be a good idea to switch him over to using the MO package equivalents of the aaa ones, I will consider doing so.
Ulms Drathen (Blade Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x6 – Less sleep since he’s a hardworking defender of Morrowind ;)
MOMerchantPackage512
Missun Akin (Marksman Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x6 – Probably doesn’t get much sleep, given his location!
MOMerchantPackage512
Yakin Bael (Restoration Master)
Originally had: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Removed: aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOMageRead16x4
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Comments: I gave him a copy of Saryoni’s Sermons to read.
Khargol Gro-Boguk (Block 82)
Originally had: aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
Removed: aaaServicesEditorLocLockAtEndStandStill
aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc512
Added: MOEat8x2
MOEat12x2
MOEat20x2
MOSleep0x8
MOMerchantPackage512
Comments: Technically since the services package was originally first in the list he would have provided his services just fine, but I decided to re-do his packages anyway to add some life to the NPC.
Cheers! asteriasennall, Great work.:)