Latest SkyWind Master Download & Info

Auto gen navmesh really sucks, I made some before. Making navmesh can be fun for some, but annoying and tedious for others. I for one do not wanna be stuck with that task lol.

I really hope the new land mass option works!

"There are not 2 masters both dependent on skyrim.esm, Skywind.esm calls morrowind_sk.esm [which has no master] and also loads skyrim.esm [for skyrim assets]."

So,

Skywind.esm Requires: Morrowind_sk.esm, Skyrim.esm

morrowind_sk.esm requires: Nothing

Everything should be dependant on Skyrim.esm, from what little I understand. If not, I think that could be causing the inability to save. What happens if you make Morrowind_sk.esm also dependant on Skyrim.esm? Or am I talking nonsense. If I am, feel free to ignore me. :)

Got you, thanks. Ugg, so complicated!

I'll post if I can think of anything else to try, but at this point, I'm just hoping lightning strikes and you have a breakthrough.

The only thing I see around that is if you wanted to use certain skyrim assets (boulders and stuff) you could duplicate the skyrim assets and paste them into an esm/esp or use their file paths. (basically twice the skyrim assets, one in the vanella skyrim esm and another duplicated in a morroblivion compatable esm/esp. Would make it harder to mod in stuff s it would basically mean 2 skyrim.esms but would allow for various skyrim effects and stuff. might want to change some of the file extensions for compatiblity with mods that modify said skyrim assets but still..

Isn't Thalmor interior light a Skyrim object? What exactly is it for?

Also maybe with the Skywind overhaul package it might've cleaned up some of the array errors and we could maybe look towards Skywindmain once again lol? Technically we can already use Skyrim assets indoors by using Skywindmain

Oh, and maybe you should look up Oblivion_sk.esm, because keep it mind Oblivion converted over successfully. wrld and cell converted over just fine.

Gregthegen

The only thing I see around that is if you wanted to use certain skyrim assets (boulders and stuff) you could duplicate the skyrim assets and paste them into an esm/esp or use their file paths. (basically twice the skyrim assets, one in the vanella skyrim esm and another duplicated in a morroblivion compatable esm/esp. Would make it harder to mod in stuff s it would basically mean 2 skyrim.esms but would allow for various skyrim effects and stuff. might want to change some of the file extensions for compatiblity with mods that modify said skyrim assets but still..

And if all else fails, you can just open Morrowind_sk and Skyrim, add stuff, close up, save your esp. And if you wanna see your changes, rename Skywindmain.esm to Morrowind_sk, load up your esp with Skywind, and they should still all be there.

I hate to just jump into this discussion (especially since I don't really know quite what I'm talking about).  But it seems to me that the best (and easiest) solution, would be to go into the converter code, and tell it to add skyrim.esm as a master when it converts.  Then all of our existing mods could just be re-merged.  Would this not work?

The main major difference (and pardon me if this was fixed/adressed along time ago) between Morrowind_sk.esm and Oblivion_sk, is that morrowind default cells are smaller than oblivion cells. If the landmass was reconverted in oblivion as opposed to skyrim, with the esm changed to skyrim.esm in tes4edit before it is converted to Skyrim standards, would that work at all?

Final idea that ive come up with short of simply coping the morrowind heightmap and hand-adjusting the entire providence of morrowind to fit the then merged remaining morroblivion assets.

We can already use both anyway technically. Hell Eloth has most of the world using swaying grass from Skyrim. If you really wanna see your edits in Skywind, just download Skywindmain.esm and change the name to Morrowind_sk.esm and load up your esp and voila, there goes your changes with Skyrim and Skywind loaded up. It's pretty crappy, but hey at least it works.

Haha thanks! Skywindmain is nice for checking edits, but once you hit a couple of array error, you lose the ability to edit in CK. It does allow you to see edits you've made with Skyrim assets and keep in mind it allows interior edits 100% from what I've seen.

Speaking of Skywindmain, if Skyrim dependency is what screwed it up, what would happen if you re-made it without Skyrim depedency, and just used Skywindmain and Skywind.esm? Would that give you the best of both worlds? Allow edits in CK(and see them after ck close) with Skyrim/Skywindmain and not eff up everything in-game?

Yes indeed. I also noticed that if you open Morrowind_sk and remove the npc group, the file grows to near 100mb, what's the deal with that?

Oh, and last week when I was fiddling with tesnip, I used Skywindmain.esp, and made the Balmora patch its own group. I got a shit ton of errors in CK about a duplicate group, but Balmora actually showed up in CK in its own world, and looked normal. I doubt that means anything, but it was kinda nice to see Balmora in CK, looking actually normal.

http://postimage.org/image/b43gs3zzv/full/

Umm, I used Morrowind_sk, and it bloated to hell when I did this. I also spent around 5 minutees holding down my enter key to get through the errors. I haven't tried opening it with Skyrim and Morrowind_sk.

Crashes CK when loaded with Skyrim and screws everything up in-game.

Nah, Skyrim wasn't opened, CK crashes if I open it with Skyrim. Also in-game, Skyrim loaded that world first, so once I left out of Balmora, well the world isn't pretty.

Also I think skywind.esp is missing some of the doors, because I couldn't walk out of the armory in mournhold with Skywind enabled, and had to enable the Doors.esp. I also think the door file is somehow messing up the music. Because when the doors are broken in Mournhold, music actually plays, when the doors are fixed, you get no music. also if you have music in Mournhold and warp back to Morrowind(where the doors work) the music stops.

Well, I think I know why the Andoran team split their files up into esps. It's because they keep them active when editing them, I learned that my own way.

First I used wrye bash to copy Morrowind_sk.esm to an esp then I opened up Skyrim and Morrowind.esp(I kept Morrowind.esp active) and removed the Thalmor interior lighting. This of course effed up Balmora, but at the time I figured it'd maybe allow me to load Morrowind with Skyrim as a master and not suffer a CTD.

Then I changed the Balmora patches' master to Skyrim.esm and Morrowind_sk.esp. Loaded up Skyrim and Balmora looked fine.

Then I loaded up the CK, set Morrowind_sk.esp as an active file, and noticed the water looked, well, normal. I also noticed I could place Skyrim and Morrowind(a few things didn't work, but I'm not sure). I closed CK, and re-opened and everything was still there.

One bad thing is, well it takes a long time to load up the CK, not Skyblivion long, but quite long. And well, making Morrowind_sk.esp active when editing, well I think you know why that can end up troubling, you're editing Morrowind_sk and when you save, you don't export the change as an esp, the change are directly applied to the master. So unless someone knows how to export changes while having a file active, I dunno.

http://i.imgur.com/jjh15.png
Me screwing around in my favorite place to check for array errors. and_ahemusacamp00. Oh, and this was after ck close.

http://i.imgur.com/FFBpX.jpg
In-game!

http://i.imgur.com/YTdcO.png
Here goes my attempt at editing and_abaelunSmine... I think you can see what went wrong there. I have no idea why it did that, I don't recall that happening to Morrowind_sk.esm

http://www.mediafire.com/?2v34f2nv2vx8zl6
My Morrowind_sk.esp and Balmora fix with Morrowind_sk.esp as a master.

Oh, and one time when I tried to open my master file as active, the CK crashed on me. I tried it again as active once again, and it loaded correctly.

there is only one way to work this out:

unpack every file from skyrim.esm, then load up CK and only use morrowind_sk.esm, and manually add assets from skyrim when needed.

Not really, I think I made my esp editable without having to keep it active, only problem is that you have to use the Balmora patcher with it, and the colors feel a little different. I'm uploading it now if you wanna try it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?8aqh5b78p07kww6
Here it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1dncbho4xracif7
Balmora patch.

Also remember to load your esp changes after the master file(I made that mistake and learned that the hard way -_-;) Also according to the error log, no more array errors, I haven't done enough testing to confirm, but hey, you can check for me!

If it confirmed to be working and such, I'll try the same thing to Oblivion_sk.

So did http://www.mediafire.com/?8aqh5b78p07kww6 work? I was able to edit in the CK, save the changes as an esp, re-load the CK and still see the changes. It even showed Skyrim assests. Also, the CK says the array errors are gone.

Errr, it might ctd with the Balmora patch, I was able to get it to run with the Balmora patch earlier, and for some reason now it refuses to.

EDIT:Oh, I changed Morrowind_sk to a .esm and had Balmora patch using Morrowind_sk.esp as a master. *sigh* whoops.

Looks like the file is junk, I somehow nuked Seyda Neen. Oh well. Balmora also loads up in CK just fine with the patch enabled. You get around 40 array errors, but I broke Seyda Neen, and who knows what other towns.

I guess on the positive side, we have a dev kit that allows editing Skyrim and Morrowind objects, just need someone to test it a bit more.

Glad to see that things are moo'ving along :-p

Kewl, we're making progress? I still have no idea what happened to Seyda Neen, and I worry if any other towns were wrecked.

http://i.imgur.com/zuA9x.jpg
Also I tested the CK, this was after a CK close, and everything saves just fine. Morrowind objects to the left, and Skyrim objects to the right.

http://i.imgur.com/j509V.jpg
In-game! I kinda wonder what happened to the two Morrowind lights, I guess they're still broken.

Also if you load Balmora patch, you'll get array errors, and won't be able to edit. It's around 40 to 60 array errors, which is better than umm what ever the hell the amount we had before lol. Oh, and you'll be able to see Balmora in CK.

Wait, so we might have it figured out? Awesome!  Though may I suggest that we just begin merging npcs as they are now?  It could take a long while yet for them to be completed, but if the ones we already have done are merged, then work on quests, outfits, and a whole lot of other things can start.

Also, I've figured out .bsa files, and now my install has a Skywind - meshes.bsa, Skywind - textures.bsa (Around 2 gigabytes in size!), and a Skywind - Oblivion textures.bsa (Using Iniquity's helpful list I was able to narrow the size of this one to under 15 megabytes, but there are still some missing textures I need to look into).

It might still be a bit early for mesh and texture .bsa files (we are constantly updating), but how about a Skywind - Misc.bsa for all of the scripts, and maybe NPC facegen data?  Or should we put the facegen data in the separate mesh and texture .bsa files.

Well I was going to start making npc place holders, you know fill out their race/class/speed and make them unique, but I was fiddling around with the stupid Skywind master.

Also, we have a SkyWind massive update esp? Kewl, so everything is fixed now? We can use Skyrim and Morrowind assets?

I had no idea about SkyWind massive update esp until now. =p Also will npc placeholders be needed for the remaining uncompleted npcs?

Well, the textures wouldn't need an installer, and neither would the scripts.  The only things that really need to be installer protected are the .esm files. My mesh .bsa is 146 mb (compressed), and I really doubt that it would get much bigger than that, so I guess that could be included if everyone really deemed it necessary.  But I say just protect the master with an installer, and have everything else as separate downloads.

Also, Ironman, do you think some of were's mods should be merged?  They are not exactly what we want for the end product I think, but they are really nice in the meantime. And are we cleaning the mods before merging?  I just realized that could be a good idea.  :)

Mehh: I say just go ahead and do the ones noone has signed up for, and then do the rest in order of how long it has been since the person has given a progress update.

Well if this work, at least you'll know how to fix up the Skyblivion master when work is started on the Skyblivion.

The Skyrim engine handles scripts differently than previous games as far as I know.  In previous games, scripts were placed directly within the .esm with no extra lose files.  In Skyrim they are put in lose files that can then be placed in .bsas.  Removing them from the installer and putting them in a .bsa, should still let them work exactly the same, with no complications.  At least that is what I understand.  :)

Ironman are you going to merge all the npc esp's and face gendata into one major file? Also do we really need placeholders for the npc's? We're almost there.

Oh, then good job.  :)

Can you make note of that in the first post?