Morroblivion

You can't just stick a thin helmet on a fat head and expect it to work. Like I said: the only way to make it work is to ephasize the parts of the face that are prominent when gaunt, and de-emphasize the other parts. I honestly don't see a problem with the currently version beyond that.

I'm already planning to do threads on the Dunmer physique on Tuesday Sechrima.

Sechrima wrote:

Is it not possible to remodel the playable Dunmer race to make it resemble the one in Morrowind, only updated to look better with Skyrim graphics? I mean, it seems everyone is trying to be true to Kirkbride's concept art and original vision with all the armor sets, etc. but the main problem is that the Dunmer race in Skyrim looks very different from how it did in Morrowind.

Every race has to be able to wear this stuff. MK may have had some concept art but you're going to cause tons of problems by changing so many things to suit his concept art instead of just leaving things alone and accepting the fact that making everything like his image is not practical.

Dragomir wrote:

You guys... Everything comes down to the fact that this mask doesn't yet look as it should look, and we just need to find a way to make it so, so start thinking creatively instead of complaining and nit-picking. The mask needs to be slick, but needs to cover even widest of faces? Hell - make it also longer than a normal face.

Make it thinner than the average helmet but not too much so. Since the head isn't rendered under full helmets, the face won't jut out and if it is done well people won't notice their faces getting smaller. Make the features more soft, and deepen the eye parts and add a shadow over them to make it look more sinister. Keep the eyebrows slanty but make them less sharp looking so it is less angry and more sinister. The bit where the eyebrows and the forehead meet should be curved instead of sharp.

I'm probably making it sound like I hate it. I don't, I think it looks nice, that was just my list of things that would make it look more like the Morrowind one if people want it more like it.

Looking great, can't wait to see it textured and stuff.

I disagree, now it starts looking like indoril armor should.

Double post

Can someone please delete this

This is looking better! The rounder lines around the eyes makes a big difference and hollowing out the sockets definitely gave it that distinctive Ordinator eeriness. Will you be smoothing out the model or keeping the angular shapes? Also will we see ears/piercings on the mask - it was one of the most attractive features of the helmet :)   

Zygomatic arch - or the cheekbone that connects to eat area to the rest of us :P

Natter we can work on this together, any areas people arent happy with or some tech stuff u cant manage yet, let me know and I can do those parts.
We also have to bulk this out with clothing/robe, stuff that can be added/removed for variation, can u make a start on simple planes that hang down ?

Natterforme wrote:

I know that the original morrowind version had a mask with ears but that was probably because the game had no ear meshes and the original mask had to imply them.

If I remember correctly, full helmets completely replaced the character's head mesh, so in order for the ears to appear, they has to be part of the helmet. We are not so limited nowadays.

The concept art had the ears like Natter's got it, with the ears being the Dunmer's own ears.  All the better to hear you and what not.

Of course the armor will look best on Dunmer, as well it should.

The new one is much better, in my opinion. It really just needs the same flavours and general look of the original, not an identical design.

You should make it so you have to defeat a ghost of Nerevar to earn the armour. He should be a challenge though.

He probably wouldn't have a ghost - you are his reincarnation.  And it's just a helmet inspired by Nerevar, not an entire set of Daedric armor.  Kurasaki has already started modeling it, the one with four 'eyes'.

It's going to be put in the game already, so it may make sense to have it in the same place as Moon-and-Star.

Nerevar's body is on the mainland, which is why his tomb never made an appearance in-game. Placing something like this in the Cave of the Incarnate would also distract the player away from the importance of Moon & Star in the mainquest. A relic of Nerevar could be easily placed in one of the Tribunal temples like how the mask of Vivec can be found in Gnisis. It would be an appropriate way to put the artifact on display while giving it an air of veneration. 

Vivec those are polygons. They only show because the model isn't in smooth mode or will have more polys later for the texture.

The hand in the pauldron (?) could be a nice touch :)

I'm not sure if I'd necessarily draw inspiration from elements for the Indoril armor, simply because the set is supposed to be deeply engrained in Dunmer religion and a great House. It is meant to be representative of the Tribunal and their authority - things that aren't inextricably linked to Vivec city itself or the fact that it is a floating citadel. Furthermore the turtle shape, while interesting, looks very warped the side view as it gives a hunched appearance to the wearer - hardly something that is graceful or intimidating as the Ordinators are meant to be. There is lastly very little detail differentiating the plate from Imperial armor concepts; it looks too western. I think it's a great idea that you'd veer away from the chitin layer of the original set, but the armor should respect the nature of the temple before anything else.  

stijmunkey wrote:

people be talking about deadric indoril armour! that would the the most bad a$$ thing ever!, might even compete with the new ebony set. Don't have to give it to everyone, just one set in the game! find nerevars tomb/memorial site or something and have a big stone coffin deem you worthy all Excalibur style then open up and give you the armour

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50635/?

This is a mod for Skyrim that adds Daedric Indoril armor 

I prefer this new one to the original, all honestly.