Censorship in Skywind aka Molag's Balls

Honestly, if Pan having sex with a goat can be displayed in a museum, I see no reason why Molag Bal needs to be castrated. Its a tragic double standard that's survived far too long, and if people honestly object to it in the end, they can always ignore it. Its not like the statue will follow them around.

Ravanna

Let us know when ya'll clam yo tits.There's work to be done.
If we cant decide now, lets move on and come back to it later.

My 2 cents: no 18+ patch. No obvious spikey penis unless the statue is very obscured. Artisitcally yes, the naked form is beautiful, and important, but taking the stand point of an actual studio trying to make a game that "sells" to as wide an audience as possible, it has to be reigned in.

So anyway, moving on.... Lets come back to this and get shit done.

Full agreement.

LASentry

To be honest, I really don't know why it's such a big deal. A statue is hardly offensive, if you know what I mean - sure it's about rape and domination but it's a symbol, it's not like you're going to see his followers fucking in front of the statue.

Speaking of the statue, it seems that the original image was deleted when the Molag Bal thread was cleaned up, and those reading this thread may not know what we're referring to. Does anyone have a link to it?

http://swietopelk.deviantart.com/art/The-King-of-Rape-438006153

If you guys wanna see something "offensive" play South Park: The stick of truth.

I know that none of us can just decide that one thing is okay and another isn't, but seriously, taking into consideration what you can see in different tv series and games - one statue with a dick ISN'T a problem. Especially when it's there to indicate "the king of rape" and not to show off that dick. Seriously guys, seriously!

Not sure if this concept of statue is interesting at all.

I have played the game and it is one of the most inappropriate games I have ever played, but I expected such from them. To have nudity in the game wouldn't be wrong or game breaking, it's more that it distracts from the bigger focus of his character and the detail of the statue.

I always say that we create this game for yourselves. We need to understand what WE want to see in game. I dont have the problem with strange things, but this things must have style. And i have some doubts about thing was drawn by Drago.
And i dont think that MB is a male. 

For me - if you have a problem with one dick in game that is supposed to be 18+ then its not about game being "wrong" or problematic, i would say it's you having some issues if you can't stand nudity. Of course that's your right guys, though i don't really dig reasons like "people will look at dick instead of fine details (of things other than dick)" - well - let them, if they can't take their eyes away from the dick...

But hey, who am i to judge? So yeah, okay i'm not gonna debate or argue about it anymore cause it's beyond comprehension to me how something like this can cause such a problem.

I tried to watch The Watchmen, but I had to go to the emergency room after my sensibilities were critically wounded by the distracting blue penis.  I missed out on the subtleties of the rest of the story and how well they adapted the comic.  My eyes were fixated to the point that they began to burn - it was as a sun bursting with UV radiation demanding your unblinking gaze (only shaped like a penis).

I might have recovered from the trauma caused by the movie by the following day, but my healing was interrupted as I was forced to change my nephew's diaper...

After a month of therapy and the conscious decision to avoid looking below my own waistline and carefully avoiding mirrors placed near showers I was well enough to function in human society once more.

I could have continued life in blissful denial if I never caught a glimpse at that 'unfixed' pitbull.  Its rotund testes were so distracting that I never noticed the thing was aggressively chewing my legs off.  I will never walk again.

Friends don't let friends see genitals!

Iniquity

And i dont think that MB is a male. 

Molag Bal is not male. Nor is Molag Bal female. He does, however, have active control of his appearance.

Yeah. Just make it any non-male genitals and all will be ok. Double standards are everywhere.

What are you talking about alysander that's just fruit - ohhhh I get it.

And smite you would have a point except for the fact that watchmen sucked. :D

Iniquity
And i dont think that MB is a male.

 

So you suggest a female/asexual King of Rape? That's a crazy idea even for me.

Don't be sexist dragomir, haven't you ever heard of equal opportunity rape?

Sorry, didn't want to offend your right to rape people regardless of your gender :(

Well, there's been talk of breaking traditional molds in this thread, so why should we go with the tried and true male rapist? Have a naked female daedra rapist statue, I'm sure that would have made it ingame without a discussion thread :D

I like your way of thinking. I already made a female rapist design, and it's already much scarier. It's a few posts above.

plasmax

Have a naked female daedra rapist statue, I'm sure that would have made it ingame without a discussion thread :D

Lol, so true.[External image]

It can be some like of Cali from Indian mythology.

mspeed101

plasmax

Have a naked female daedra rapist statue, I'm sure that would have made it ingame without a discussion thread :D

Lol, so true.[External image]

it like this put a naked guy its oke put a penis on a naked no no

a naked woman oke but put a naked woman whit a clearly visible vagina on it i dont wanne see that in a game 

Like it or not we have been conditioned by society to find some things offensive and some other things as not. My problem is that I completely disagree with how things have been molded over time, purely by a particular sect, probably mainly religion.

Please understand that in a lot of cultures the display of genitals is important and is considered beautiful and powerful.

As a philosophical question ask yourself why the below picture would now be deemed acceptable? Almost an identical picture. Amazing what a few inches can make right? Is it different? That is brain washing pure and simply. That is a reflection of your upbringing, not mine.

A lot of Europe have less conservative views when it comes to pubic areas, as pointed out by PeterBitt in Germany, violence is considered bad, but nudity is not. My problem is that a few of you, and the numbers are becoming quite clear that it is very split, is that you really have been conditioned from your upbringing to thinking that displaying a penis or breast, or a bum even, is a bad thing. It is not.

Oh and I bet most of you don't really care about the decapitated body, sure its offensive, but you wouldn't consider banning it from the game. Selective conditioning, you're balls deep in it.

Denevir,

Somehow I think that while your idea would be true to lore, it should not be on a statue possibly made by Deadric worshippers, who are shunned and hunted by the Tribunal.  While MB has a history with Vivec, his worshippers aren't too crazy about him. just my two cents

I disagree with putting Muatra on Molag Bal. As I stated, these shrines were built before the age of the Tribunal. The Lessons should not dictate the style of the statue.

That's it. Some little change and instinct don't react anymore.
May be it can be placed more vertical and even supplemented by 2-4 copies.

Twisted Logic

I disagree with putting Muatra on Molag Bal. As I stated, these shrines were built before the age of the Tribunal. The Lessons should not dictate the style of the statue.

Good point

How about a warning label? I know the idea seems obvious, but whatever we decide if anything that is "lewd" parents make walk in on kids seeing that and try to sue us etc. It may not be very plausible, but it is possible.

How about a warning label? I know the idea seems obvious, but whatever we decide if anything that is "lewd" parents make walk in on kids seeing that and try to sue us etc.

Skyrim itself has mature ratings, ranging to 18+ anyway, so in fact the only censorship we are imposing is by ourselves.

It begs the question that some of the development team shouldn't be working on the project simply because of their age. Skyrim does carry a PEGI rating of 18+, so I feel that those under this age are by "law" not entitled to be subjected to the content of this game.

If we are banning content based on age, we should look at keeping the same guidelines for developers, probably this website as well. We should have one of those enter your age things before you get into the website.

As I said and I think most have agreed its not actually about a cone on the statue of Molag Bal, but about the philosophy of content and how we approach it, not just for this game, but life in general.

So for me personally it is an important matter, and please don't tell me otherwise.

Hey guys, I'm just a writer of dialog scenes that probably won't make it into the game, with no other talents to speak of, and I know I'm not really a part of your group, but seeing how broad this issue is become, I want to throw my two cents if it will be any help.

This is largely an issue of concepts. In fact, the essential arguments you guys are using have been around for centuries. Should we censor art forms that that may be displeasing to some but just fine for others? Honestly, while I'd be willing to listen to and support both sides, I think we're getting so wrapped up in this debate that we're forgetting what we're talking about here.

This is a penis on a statue. That's it. All this philosophical debate over something that players are maybe going to spend 30 seconds looking at. Thinking about this from the perspective of someone playing this game who has no idea of the arguments that have gone on here, I can see two possible reactions they would have towards seeing a giant erect penis in their game. Option 1: "Gross, a penis. Why am I forced to look at that?" Option 2: "Hey, it's a penis. Whatever."

I'm pretty sure that nobody is going to say "I wasn't sure about this whole Skywind thing, but seeing that penis has really enhanced my experience of the game. I get the metaphor for Molag Bal being the king of rape, and that has really made this game worthwhile for me." 

Don't get me wrong, if everyone knew about what went on here to produce that penis, people would love the idea. But from an outsider's perspective, this really isn't a message about artistic expression or freedom from censorship. It's a penis. On a statue. And that doesn't really mean much for them. So I guess my point here would be, don't stress too much over it.

In terms of my actual opinion, I frankly don't understand why you can't just have Molag Bal wearing underwear that sports a clearly enormous package. Because if it's just a penis hanging out in the open, there will inevitably be a number of people grossed out by it, a lot of people neutral towards it, and virtually no people who feel that it has in some way improved their game. I just don't really see why having one in the first place is so significant, beyond the standpoint of "lore-friendly."

A patch doesn't make much sense, in my opinion, because nobody is going to go out of their way to install the official "Give Molag Balls" patch. Most people just don't care that much.

Also, just out of curiosity, has anyone actually talked to Niflhelm about this yet? He is the one actually making this model, after all. And I haven't heard anything from him on this topic.

Thank you for taking the time to read my rant. Whatever you guys decide, I know that it will end up being an amazing creation. You guys are all awesome!

I'm confused on what the issue is. And yes, I made an account specifically to weigh in on this discussion. (Hey everybody!).

In Skyrim, isn't the statue of Dibella 96% nude? I think in North America, the showing of gender-specific lower genitalia merits a rating higher than 18+, hence the small piece of cloth draped around her crotch. Nocturnal wasn't wearing much either, was s/he? There are actually a lot of feminine-sexuality implicit things in the game (flame atronach, spriggans) and let's not forget how much nudity Daggerfall threw around (witches, dibella priests, player character with clothing removed, and more). So the issue can't be the depiction of sexuality, because that's scattered all through the series, and we haven't left in an outrage yet. There are cultures that consider female breasts nudity, and those that don't, so there can be a fine line there on what's acceptable. I can't think of any precedent for female reproductive organs, but does anybody else remember the Minotaur from oblivion? I seem to recall Bethesda inserting a flaccid penis on one of their monsters.

I understand this thread is about trading blows on this subject specifically, so I'll try to keep this as objective as possible:

There is a lot of precedent for nudity and sexuality in TES in gameplay, creature design, and lore (I can't confirm this, but it looks like other people have mentioned). We can assume Bethesda scaled it back to appeal to a wider audience, but they include it where they can. If Bethesda released a Daggerfall remake on the Skyrim engine, they'd probably go bankrupt from the bad publicity.

Contextual nudity adds to the immersion factor. Dibella is the goddess of beauty and love; her disciples have beauty and love tunnel vision. Harpies don't have the concept of decency to throw rags over their suggestive parts. Strippers at a strip club strip. If a town is especially pious, it would make sense for everybody to walk around in three layers of robes. If a place is dedicated to vice and sin, it would look strange for streetwalkers to wear the same chastity robes.

I'm starting to ramble, so I'll wrap this up. Nudity for nudity's sake is immature. Porn is a thing that's free on the internet, we can leave it out of the game. Censorship for censorship's sake is immature as well, because lighting the torches over a penis while turning a blind eye to gratuitous violence is akin to running away from "cooties" on a playground. Nudity where you would expect nudity (hey, does the god of rape only commits unspeakable sin behind closed doors or under sheets?) adds realism. What's the point in making sure the texture of rocks and tree bark looks lifelike if the entire population of the land is chastely neutered?

Ok outside of the statue I propose that a lot of the slaves would be naked.

the nude dlc

Justafan

Don't get me wrong, if everyone knew about what went on here to produce that penis, people would love the idea. But from an outsider's perspective, this really isn't a message about artistic expression or freedom from censorship. It's a penis. On a statue. And that doesn't really mean much for them. So I guess my point here would be, don't stress too much over it.

In terms of my actual opinion, I frankly don't understand why you can't just have Molag Bal wearing underwear that sports a clearly enormous package. Because if it's just a penis hanging out in the open, there will inevitably be a number of people grossed out by it, a lot of people neutral towards it, and virtually no people who feel that it has in some way improved their game. I just don't really see why having one in the first place is so significant, beyond the standpoint of "lore-friendly."

These are some good points. I think that this whole thing is being pushed for lore's sake, and the average player is not going to appreciate it for what its worth.

I say that we have both. But have a Mod for the 18+ stuff. I personally do not find stuff like this offensive. But from a parents perspective I would be pissed as hell if my 12 year old daughter saw that in a public game like Skywind. And she has played Skyrim and Oblivion and loved both. 

 

So I say have 2 variations. One in release, and the 2nd(SlongDong) as a mod. Like beth does with all their games. I personally want a vanilla game that stays lore friendly, and leave the more true to the lore type stuff(Nudity, rape, and Slongs) to mod and the modding community. 

 

BlueSausage had a valid point you guys brushed off. Bethesda is ignoring us atm. But, if this and some other 18+/Controversial stuff got into the original version. I feel that this would "Wake up the Giant" and they would have to send a cease and desist to have deniability. Believe me when I say, Bethesda would never do something like this now*, and would have a HUGE problem with it being in the original release. 

 

I am getting a bad vibe from this discussion. And some of you here in the know, know exactly what I mean. 

ArchieVision

I am getting a bad vibe from this discussion. 

Me too...

ArchieVisionBut from a parents perspective I would be pissed as hell if my 12 year old daughter saw that in a public game like Skywind.

Not that I would be eager to show my (not existent) children dicks and tits, but I sure can not understand how chopping off heads and having fun playing around with a physicly correct behaving decapitated corpse lying in a pool of blood isnt an issue for some of you :O
I think its a easy way of thinking: The kid does have a penis too so its bound to see one sooner or later. Chopped off heads and mutilated bodies tho? I really would prefer any child to have a childhood without having to see stuff like that in real life.
Of course when I was a child I tried everything to get my hands on the real violent games/movies and I didnt become an insane murderer. But if violence gets injected into your brain every day through your broken media, religion, music, games, movies, series, the behaviour of your war-loving government etc, you have to be one strong personality to not be touched by that!
What does it mean for a country if the consensus is that violence is bad but nudity not so much? For example "murders with firearms per 100.000 populution: USA=9369  GER=269" ;)

I once found a website streaming the most extreme real snuff videos I have ever seen (...the thumbnail of, I dont watch that shit). When I read some comments I really lost faith in humanity because of people applauding and making fun of real people being murdered brutally in real life! Would you say the negative impact on a persons (or especially childs) psychology can even be compared in the slightest with watching even the hardest hardcore-porns in the world?? Absolutely not comprehensible for me. Not even close.

Cultural differences I guess.

ArchieVisionI say that we have both. But have a Mod for the 18+ stuff. I personally do not find stuff like this offensive. But from a parents perspective I would be pissed as hell if my 12 year old daughter saw that in a public game like Skywind. And she has played Skyrim and Oblivion and loved both.

PeterBrit already commented on that. A 12 years old kid should play neither of these games, they have mutilation of dead bodies, celebration of murder (dark brotherhood), and in Skyrim also some extreme cases of brutality. I like to have combat in my games brutal (it's still nothing compared to what real fight would look like), but this stuff is much more dangerous for youth than sexual innuendos on deity depictions (that phallus I drawn doesn't even look much like one either). I don't want to teach you about raising children, since you have 12 more years of experience in that matter, but perhaps you could think about it from a logical standpoint.

 

 

ArchieVisionSo I say have 2 variations. One in release, and the 2nd(SlongDong) as a mod. Like beth does with all their games. I personally want a vanilla game that stays lore friendly, and leave the more true to the lore type stuff(Nudity, rape, and Slongs) to mod and the modding community.

I don't want the modding community to do that (especially Nexus... Urgh). There's a huge difference between a coherent vision and graphic style that incorporates adult themes, and disgusting porn mods. The latter is only made to cause arousal in it's audience. The first case is to enrich and depthen the world we're exploring, adding a very important part to it that was stripped off from the graphic content of TES since Morrowind, and yet is still present in the lore.  And I still can't imagine how would that statue be arousing to anyone.

 

 

ArchieVisionBlueSausage had a valid point you guys brushed off. Bethesda is ignoring us atm. But, if this and some other 18+/Controversial stuff got into the original version. I feel that this would "Wake up the Giant" and they would have to send a cease and desist to have deniability. Believe me when I say, Bethesda would never do something like this now*, and would have a HUGE problem with it being in the original release.

A cone-shaped stylised penis on a dead, inhuman stone statue in a desolated ruin wouldn't get Bethesda to close our project, I can assure you of that. Neither would nipples on Azura, Winged Twilight, Nocturnal, Mephala, female Corprus Stalkers, Desele's girls or nude sex slaves. Or even nipple ring on Ogrim. These things are done in +18 games all the time. Everyone, even Bethesda seems to forget that Skyrim is supposed to be adult only, and looking at it's content I can see a good reason behind that. And Bethesda can't just close our project like that with no legal reason. And there would be NO legal reason to do it.

 

 

ArchieVisionI am getting a bad vibe from this discussion. And some of you here in the know, know exactly what I mean.

I'm terrified by this discussion actually, and community's reaction. My 13 years old sister's reaction to that drawing was more mature than what I got from many people of the community.



Put all that aside, I think not everyone has the right idea how this all started. When I posted the concept in Niflheim's thread I did not DEMAND that he gives his statue a dick. I said it very clearly that it's an experimental design and that I'm curious how will people react to this kind of an idea. I backed it up with artistic research into ancient cultures and meaning of The King of Rape himself. I even highlighted that this is probably not going to get in the game.

And then everyone went all pitchfork and torches on it (not gonna call names). I didn't want to cause a war, but I had to defend myself against horrible cases of blind, hypocritical tunnel vision conservatism. (If you track the discussion back though I never went into a rage mode). I started being called immoral for drawing that concept and some people even threatened to leave the project over something, that I just made to try things out. I could never have expected that the reaction would be so worryingly aggressive, and that people would take it so seriously.

Justafan also seems to have missed the purpose of that concept, like most people who say "it's just a dick". It was made as an experiment, to see how sexual themes would work and look in the context of TES and the graphic style of our mod overall. The issue will come back with Azura, Winged Twilight, Nocturnal, Mephala, female Corprus Stalkers, Desele's girls or nude sex slaves. Besides that, I really liked the idea of horny Daedra. Up until I did research on Molag Bal and read the Lessons of Vivec he really had NO theme or personality to him whatsoever. Nobody could even name what he stands for. He was just a bland and boring reptilian that happened to be moderately "evil", but not really either. If his statue was to truly depict his themes like lust and domination, that would have made him so much more interesting. A crabby loincloth with a picture on it is not enough to hint at that either (putting aside the fact that it would go against the chronology in lore). And a speedo with a package would look even more silly than an erect cone (i deliberately didn't make it look like an actual penis too, it's just like another one of his many horns).

 

All in all I'm saddened and disappointed with how things went with that issue. Not because my concept got rejected - not only am I aware of that possibility each time I make something, I was EXPECTING that to happen. I'm disappointed with what's been said to back it up, because not only is that insulting my worldview (and me as a person a few times too), but also it will greatly limit and cripple the artistic freedom in the Skywind's graphic content. We were to make Morrowind as it was initially supposed to be, and it was supposed to be a game for adults, like Daggerfall. Bethesda axed off all the naughty graphical content (but left in the written), to get lower PEGI rating and more sales that way, even if 90% of the kids playing had no idea what's going on in the game. We're no longer limited with that, first because we are NOT going to be rated, and secondly because Skyrim for which we make this mod (in case you don't remember) is rated the top, PEGI 18.

I'm going to vote "Optional". I'm all for artistic freedom, and I hate the fact that censorship seems to define any commercial product. That said there are reasons for that, whether I agree with them or not. Morrowind implied many things, but did not actually show them, same with Skyrim, therefore it's my opinion that for continuity and respect to source these things should not be included in such a graphic way in these recreations. For those that don't mind the 18+ rated stuff, there's always the option to have another plugin to really enhance these areas and create the game as originally intended. I know I'd use it, but I also know many who wouldn't. It's all personal taste. At least an option conforms to both ideologies.

Dragomir-

I am truly sorry if I offended you with my earlier comment. I never meant to insult your artistic integrity, and honestly, I'm in full support of the concept. You had a good idea that most of us are afraid to even bring up, and I commend you for it. And yes, I think that it does add to the character of Molag Bal.

What I said about it being "just a dick" was not so much my opinion or anyone else's here, but rather my idea of what an outsider might see in this. Someone unlearned in lore, unaware of what goes on behind the scenes, unknowing of all the debate and important concepts and ideologies that went into this. My concern was that many who play this game might not appreciate the work and inspiration that we here know you put into the concept. Never did I intend to criticize your idea. If everyone was as mature and forward-thinking as you, Dragomir, then this would never have even been a point for argument.

I believe that your idea is great, I really do. So do most people here on the development team. While some may not agree with it, I think that we can all on some level support the motivations behind it. I think I can speak for just about everyone when I say that we would love to support you wholeheartedly, and insulting your ideas is not the way to do that. 

It is unfortunate that this once-reasonable discussion had to turn so ugly. Somewhere along the line, people seemed to have forgotten that this is a conversation amongst peers, and that we should respectfully consider all ideas and opinions, be they of nudity, censorship, violence, or anything else. Even whether Molag Bal should be given a bra and a pony head.

I'm deeply sorry about this reaction to your concept, and I think we all wish that we could take back some of the things that were said. It hurts to have a violent reaction to your ideas, especially when those ideas are actually pretty good. But perhaps we can learn from this, and never let such intolerance and immaturity occur again. Whether we agree with the concept or not, we should be offering suggestions, not insults.

Thank you, Dragomir, for your immense patience and tolerance with all of us. I know that we don't really know each other (in fact, NOBODY really knows me), but I hope that this can at least rekindle some good relations on this forum.

Don't worry, we'll do better next time. :)

I don't even know why I'm weighing in on this.

I would advocate including the wang because it seems to make sense: the Lord of Rape should look rape-y and shocking. For whatever reason, breasts and vulvas, or hints of them, aren't found shocking in today's culture in comparison to penises. If the statue inspires revulsion in some players, then all the better - he's not supposed to be beautiful.

I think all the arguments about consistency (with respect to female nudity, violence and age ratings) are a red herring though. Taboo is taboo, and consistency has nothing to do with it. If you include a penis, some people won't like it for the "wrong" reasons. That may be important.

In the end I agree with those people who say it's not that important, though. If artists don't want to produce that kind of stuff, that's more important. If there's a consensus that too many people will be thinking "ew, what were they thinking putting wangs in this?!" then that's more important. While some people may appreciate the artistic merits and integrity, noone's going to play a game and think, "damn, I liked the game, but I just thought there weren't enough statues with raging boners."

I hope we didn't scare off Niflhelm... he has been gone for almost 6 days

With Skyrim being a PEGI 18, rather than an "adult" addon, what we are really talking about is if we should have a "teen" or maybe a "non-mature" addon. This is far more logical. Really no one under than age of 15 should be playing the game anyway, so we are talking about a very small age group, those between 15-17.

I think dodgy content should be optional because you want people to be able to Lets play Skywind! Youtube and other sites are picky so make 2 versions so that Let's players can record without having to deal with youtube or have problems with their audience..

Never seen any issues with Let's Plays of Amnesia, F.E.A.R, Silent Hill, Outlast, GTA, Metro 2033, The Wolf Among Us or Witcher 1 and 2.

Langotriel

I think dodgy content should be optional because you want people to be able to Lets play Skywind! Youtube and other sites are picky so make 2 versions so that Let's players can record without having to deal with youtube or have problems with their audience..

 

I don't know if Youtube would really have a problem with one static penis in a video. Also, here in NA, Skyrim is rated "M", which is 17+, and not 18+. Just thought I should point that out. And minors will probably play this add-on whether there is a phallus in it or not, so I say just put it in.

 

This is coming from a conservative Roman Catholic Christian, and a strong one too. As long as we don't see any sexual acts in the vanilla game, it should be A-ok.

Dragomir

Never seen any issues with Let's Plays of Amnesia, F.E.A.R, Silent Hill, Outlast, GTA, Metro 2033, The Wolf Among Us or Witcher 1 and 2.

Bigger youtubers tend to censor it or keep it out because if they do get flagged, youtube will give them a strike. There are lots of videos with nudity but that is because people have not flagged them.. 

I suppose a statue is ok.. it is only a statue.. but there are certain things that some youtubers will censor so if there is going to be a lot of nudity in this game, we need 2 versions.

Besides, what is the problem with 2 versions? It makes everyone happy :P

3 pages of organized arguments on genitalia... In your face reddit! :P

This is still a thing? Well in that case;

I think all the arguments regarding the age restrictions for these games are valid. These games have always been marketed toward older audiences; people that --at the very least-- are capable of seeing a penis and not freaking out or becoming scarred for life. Teenagers and adults, not children.

That aside, I think the fact that this is an isolated example of nudity, and on a non-human statue at that, is important to note. Its definitely less sexualized than it would have been otherwise.

Honestly, though I know it isn't my place to comment on what anyone here should do, I think this thread has run its course and that a vote should be posted. Simple and clean, and everyone can lay this question to rest.