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SKV, that looks really nice! As for the numbers, perhaps they could be written out using the Dwemeris font? Since there is no official example of what Dwemer numerals look like, making one up is sort of inserting headcanon, which I think should be avoided when possible.

While there is nothing wrong with people having their own ideas on lore, forcing one's headcanon onto others is something that should definitely be avoided. Instead, one should search for more lore-friendly alternatives in order to strive instead for authenticity. I do not support headcanon injection. It has not been revealed what sort of numerals Dwemer would have used, and it would seem better to not rely on speculation. I propose to avoid using numerals and instead write numbers out in the Dwemeris font, or not have any at all.

Barra agea ry sou karan.

"Wear lore as your armor."

IMPRESIVE Work done here!

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Dmitriy, the first Dwemer gloryhole :D

No The second. THe first one was Sergey (look at previous page)

Dwemer quality!

X?? - are just number_of_glyph, not like numerics.
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Anyway SpaceConstructionVehicle bypassed the problem using common pictograms, and this is satisfactorily from fanboy view, i presume.
 

That is amazing! Great work there! I also just thought of something, I wonder how it would look to use Dwemer 'wire mesh' for the window parts, something like this.
 

I think the Dwemeri windows would be great like that, but I feel like the suspension halls don't necessarily need that. Perhaps in addition to the exterior parts, windows like that could look into larger cavern parts that connect the Dwemer tunnels.

@discoccult: Awesome Idea! perhaps to give it a bit more of a ruined/mysterious Metro2033 feel?

@skv: what do you think about making variant with glass windows on lower side of corridor? This could make possible more interesting in-cave (and maybe underwater) encounters to be made by landscapers.

I'm sorry alysander, but your drawings are much too sci-fi and I think you're kind of skewing the vision in a direction it shouldnt be going. Before designing anything, you need to take a closer look at the original. We're not designing something entirely new, we're expanding on the ideas presented in vanilla Morrowind. 

Oh yeah and I think we are ditching the idea of having windows as part of the suspended corridors. the asset created for windows by whoever is doing the exterior parts could always be used by level designers though if they wish. (And openings would be created by broken sections or under-construction sections anyway)

Sorry if I'm sounding harsh

@skv I'm not sure how to create volumetric lights in CK without the use of a light shafts model but I know that there are good dynamic shadow casting lights! 

there is no way if windows design can make smth more sci-fi.

actually yeah, designs can entirely determine what sort of genre a work will be placed into. really all I'm trying to say is that it would be beneficial to take a look at what makes the morrowind dwemer designs work.

Genres are determined by more global ideas: level of tech, magical beings, plausibility.

could you explain this? I'm not sure what you're saying here. 

Anyway i am talking only about giving more possibilities for landscapers - that's uncertain how it will be used.

yes and if you ask Ravanna for the 17-ish pages of dwemer asset sketches he did and which I am helping to refine and bring back into the morrowind aesthetic/ shapes, you'll notice that we already have plenty of designs and ideas and possibilities for level designers to create nice and varied dwemer environments.

like, I'm not saying it's not okay to contribute ideas. because it's totally okay and recommended for people to contribute ideas (just not time-traveling-elder-scroll ideas). 

I'm just saying I think we've got these corridors and halls under control. we have designs mostly nailed down for them.

(I am not trying to say that designs should not be critiqued or added to, because they're 100% open for that. I'm just saying we've got a pretty good idea of what we need to do for these assets in particular. again, I don't mean to sound harsh or ignore your input)

Windows can be used in other cases than broken sections - for example to illustrate smth, that player shouldnt interfere at the moment, or smth that only decorative from distance.

yes, windows could work for that, but I think that would be mostly in rooms or larger halls, not corridors. rubble or a mess of large pipes could also work just as well for this sort of thing. I know this kind of thing was done a lot in skyrim, especially in ancient nordic dungeons. in skyrim, mostly rubble or openings in stone were used to give little 'previews' of what was ahead in the dungeon. 

the primary issue I could see with this is that dwemer ruins in morrowind are not linear. most dungeons in skyrim are entirely linear, and so little glimpses of what was coming up in the level made sense for those. with morrowind's generally non-linear dwemer ruins, where the dwemer used to work and live, I'm not sure how that sort of level design aspect could be implemented. (on this note, for level designers, dwemer ruins should definitely definitely not be made into linear levels. I think they should keep the same basic structure/ layout if they are to work. but y'all probably already know that)

so yeah instead of maybe using that kind of preview-window level design aspect to show something the player shouldnt interfere with at the moment, I could see it maybe being used just to highlight cool views honestly. I dont know what to say about this one

I find it rather important to identify Dwemer culture and evidence of old civilization within the ruins of their cities, but the key component of doing so is lore authenticity. So no injecting headcanon in the form of number systems or sleek sci fi halls. Instead of working against what is established already, work with it instead.

I don't think they are, I was referring to the idea of making smooth glass tunnels with underground vault-tech farms.

I get that you're advocating for windows on the lower parts. literally all I'm trying to say is that the smooth rectangular windows are a really big distraction and don't fit well with dwemer shapes/ aesthetic. I think there are better solutions than having these windows. 

like imagine you're a morrowind player who's pumped for skywind, and you get to your first dwemer ruin and see windows like that. while the rotating fans are a neat addition (which probably shouldnt be used too liberally, only here and there in some cool areas. they are a large piece.), the fans fit within the aesthetic defined by vanilla morrowind content and (hopefully) my concept art. however, the windows would seem like a bizarre design choice.

if it causes the player to be like "oh that's weird" instead of "oh that's cool," I think it would only work against the effect of the rest of the dwemer assets.

I could imagine a rotating fan in this picture without the design vision being changed entirely. I could not imagine a giant rectangular green glass window. I think that might be a good way of determining what sort of content can be added to vanilla. 

MW's dwemer ruins are fairly iconic and I think maintaining their feel as much as possible is pretty important

Lattices are good too, but i am sure that original MW hasn't transparent glass more because tech than arts.
You can try to imagine glass in towers. There it was in original game.
 

the suspended halls honestly really don't even need windows, considering everything else that will be going on with them. broken sections with chunks of stone paneling missing and under contruction pipe skeleton type pieces should be enough 

with the fans and the windows I just feel like there would be too many distracting things going on with these halls. fans are totally fine and will add to the feel if used sparingly by level designers, with shadow casting lights and volumetric dust, etc. I just feel like windows would be too much for the suspended halls in particular, however, in a few weeks (college apps, sorry ) I could start changing my tall large dwemer hall concepts for maybe incorporating mesh windows in some areas/ to make them more modular and varied for level designers (will be going over more of Rav's pages). I'd like to put more "morrowind" back into the large hall sections.

Great work skv!

@skv1991

I think u already planed this but don't forget to add specular or bump to corridors/halls (normal maybe sounds too heavy but I'm not sure). It looks too "flat" now but I understand this is only WIP, and this is last step.