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"trollbone helmet" concept sculpt

Hello,

i modeled a trollbone skull helmet just how i would make it and i wanted to show it here to see if you like it or not. the trollbone helmet have to be made anyway. if you like my idea, i would improve the design and add details to finish it.

thx and see you

sketchfab 3D preview >>>>>>>>>>>  https://skfb.ly/EHyH

Edited by: smartinius on 06/04/2015 - 00:49
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Not sure about the mask bits,

Not sure about the mask bits, but I'm certainly interested in seeing more.

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Looks strange and alien.

Looks strange and alien. Perfect for morrowind.

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UPDATE

UPDATE

hey, i changes the masque to a human skull mask and i also created a version without a additional mask at all. what do you think?

sketchfab preview ->>>>> https://skfb.ly/EHyH

 

 

 

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Maybe sth like that. A bit

Maybe sth like that. A bit more "aggressive look

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Got to admit, Lukkars vision

Got to admit, Lukkars vision is a bit more to my liking, mainly because of the tusks. But it's your model Smart, and you usually end up with some great ones! Keep up the good work.

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Maybe with bone Sacrum and

Maybe with bone Sacrum and leather.

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Methinks you can make it with

Methinks you can make it with greatest lower jaw's fang, that goes over face in the orbits and protect face.
With this mode lower jaw obviously must be supposed to be jaw of another species.

Or they can be made less big, and touching only other jaw (not orbit), but positioned with same purpose - to protect face.

I think actually your 1st pic is the best Smarty.


 

 

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Bottom one looks best to me.

Bottom one looks best to me.  The human looking skull mask on the inside seems a bit much.  I get the feeling guards would want to arrest you for grave robbing if you came in with a human skull.
If you really want something on the inside, you can't go wrong with a metal nose-guard.

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update

update

hey,

i took your ideas and formed this out of it. i added a metal masque with noseguard because i wanted something inside, but the skull was too much. i shortened the "horns" wich are actually carved bone pices. the idea with the tongue is a last minute idea. if you think the tonghe is a awesome idea then i keep it, otherwise i leave the tongue away. its 50 50 to me. tell me what you think. if you dont have huge complains, then i just finish it up.

thx and have a nice day

this will be my last alteration for the concept, then i want to finish it to accomplish something.

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It was an interesting idea,
It was an interesting idea, but no tongue please.
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+1 Smart. Looks awesome. My

+1 Smart. Looks awesome. My vote goes for the one without tongue as well, 

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Really good but I think

Really good but I think version without tongue looks better.

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Yeah, I vote for without

Yeah, I vote for without tongue.

this will be my last alteration for the concept, then i want to finish it to accomplish something. Version without skull inside looks much better now. I'm sure that final version will be really cool, like all your models done before.

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I like variant without tongue

I like variant without tongue (? or what is it) and with metal masque with noseguard.
+1 to lukkar small changes. Bigger fangs can protect face. I think nords who made it could use fangs from Sabre Cat.

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Without Tongue and then you

Without Tongue and then you're good :)

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I prefer the top, though I

I prefer the top, though I don't think the tongue version is as bad as some seem to think (maybe make the tongue more menacing, and have one version with and one version without?).  Looking great so far though!

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JorgenGorgen wrote:

JorgenGorgen wrote:

I prefer the top, though I don't think the tongue version is as bad as some seem to think (maybe make the tongue more menacing, and have one version with and one version without?).  Looking great so far though!



The tongue just doesn't make much sense. It's a chunk of flesh. It would rot. That alone makes it look weird imo. Other version is good, though.
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UPDATE

UPDATE

hey, i detailed the thing and iam trying to make the textures. diffuse first. what do you think? if you have ideas to improve the thing, just tell me.

Sketchfab 3D preview ->>>>> https://skfb.ly/EHyH

 

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Very nice. So colorful.

Very nice. So colorful.
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This things that placed in orbits could be nice as long as on your first picture, but oriented back.
 

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I'm prety late to the

I'm pretty late to the discussion, so feel free to ignore this, but perhaps it could use some troll fur on the sides, sort of like Kirkbride's conceptLooks awesome, I like the red bands on it.

Edit: Or not, I do like how it looks without fur too.

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Trollbone has got quite crapy

Trollbone has got quite crapy armor rating, so I suggest add rust and "scars" to metal and some cracks to skull. Also add dripstone from oxide iron to skull. Some discolorations like make top of skull brighter than lower part could be nice too (sun effecting). Leather could have some discoloration also.

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Hmm. I'm looking at where the

Do whatever.

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maxnosense wrote:

maxnosense wrote:


The tongue just doesn't make much sense. It's a chunk of flesh. It would rot. That alone makes it look weird imo. Other version is good, though.



An actual tongue obviously wouldn't make sense, then again neither did having to specify a decorative metal tongue.  My bad.
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My proposition (2x Shoulder

My proposition (2x Shoulder blade + fur) but with lukkar color scheme would be good:

EDIT: or with small bones like on the pic posted by SquallyDaBeanz:

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lukkar wrote:

lukkar wrote:

Trollbone has got quite crapy armor rating, so I suggest add rust and "scars" to metal and some cracks to skull. Also add dripstone from oxide iron to skull. Some discolorations like make top of skull brighter than lower part could be nice too (sun effecting). Leather could have some discoloration also.

Nah, nordic trollbone isn't a crappy armor, it's a medium quality armor 2/3rds of the way up the quality scale.  (I'm considering all the daedric faces as a single quality because they're more or less unique items)  The only better heavy helmets are dwemer, ebony and daedric, and they're all contraband, so trollbone is the best heavy helmet that money can (legally) buy.  The 18 armor rating claimed by the wiki represents its value at 0 skill; at 100 skill it's closer to 60.  If that's  so shabby that it needs rust, dislocations and cracks to serve as visual cues, then the imperial silver, imperial steel, nordic iron, steel and iron helmets need them too.

*yes, I'm aware everything's going to be rebalanced and use Skyrim's armor system, and yes, I recognize that in Morrowind there was a giant gulf in quality between dwemer and ebony and that unarmored was better than trollbone.  And yeah, orcish and dreugh laugh at it, but they're high-quality medium armor.  The important thing is it's still better than most heavy helmets.

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TemporaryMan +1 and my color

TemporaryMan +1 and my color scheme proposition:

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wow folks, you realy put some

wow folks, you realy put some effort in it, thumps up for that, i hope your not mad with me, when i can not put all your ideas in it at once, but i like the stuff you have send so far, very good concept stuff.

 

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lukkar wrote:Trollbone has

lukkar wrote:

Trollbone has got quite crapy armor rating, so I suggest add rust and "scars" to metal and some cracks to skull.

Actually, Nordic Trollbone is as good as a brand-new Imperial Steel or Imperial Silver (source). So I'd give a big Numidium's NO to adding more wear and tear!

Since it's a Nordic helmet, it would be nice to add some fur to it as per MK's concept, though. If it's a Nordic helmet, it should be designed to be worn in subzero temperatures. And the fur would still be useful in Morrowind as rudimentary protection from the ash.

But the model is pretty awesome as it is, so feel free to disregard any of this :)