I got banned from tes nexus

I would say Bethesda is putting pressure on Tesnexus to stop this (purely a guess though). People can get it from this forum anyway.

Yes, we live in a world run by lawyers. 

I sincerely doubt Bethesda cares anymore, but the lawyers just might.

In any case, most likely it is a mod on TESNexus who is bummed about their real life and is excercising their "power" to compensate.  Feh.

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Bethesda wouldn't care if Morroblivion only included their assets but they borrowed a few from other companies to use in Morrowind and Morrowind only and since we are using them in Oblivion the companies could sue Bethesda so Bethesda banned the file to send the other companies the message that Morroblivion is not official and that they are removing it from every official site. Since this site has nothing got to do with Bethesda they aren't making us delete it. But what makes me wonder is, why did they remove this mod? They only remove things that allow you to download Morroblivion itself. They don't care about mods dependant on Morroblivion unless it has a link to Morroblivion. Type "Morroblivion" into search, there are tons of mods for Morroblivion that have been up for years and they haven't been removed. So you shouldn't have been banned and the file shouldn't have been deleted. Maybe you had a link to Morroblivion? If not then that moderator is stupid.

Maybe you left a link to this site on the page by accident or maybe the moderator thought that you were letting people download morrowind files even though you weren't.

maybe we should find out which assets that is borrowed, and see if we can come up with

replacements?

who will volunteer to send bethesda a mail and find out? In a descreetly manner of course :)

I would, I'll try my best to sound professional but I doubt they would ever reply to such a message. Maybe we can find out some other way, they could have even mentioned in the credits(but I doubt it). 

After contacting Dante he said that you uploaded Morroblivion itself. I told him that he misunderstood you and that you only uploaded a mod that allows you to walk to Morrowind if you have Morroblivion, he just said "Why are you even bothered? He hasn't posted an appeal" so I think the best thing is for you to post an appeal explaining what you actually did.

Seconding Vivec. Contact 'em and see what they say.

With regards to the licensed Morrowind content, I'm willing to bet it's something like the shoe textures - a lot of them are photos of actual shoes, and look like historical examples from a museum.

I'm not sure Bethesda would want to pay a company for a licence to use a shoe textures, especially for one game only.

You'd be surprised... It may have been cheaper to pay for stock or specific licence photos that they could wrap around a mesh, than to hire an artist to create from scratch.

iceburg: As Vivec suggested above, I think you should appeal the ban as it was a misunderstanding. Damn moderator did not even read the mod description it appears *angry*

Personally I think that the 'third-party asset' problem is irrelevent. There are several other issues:

1) Morroblivion ( both the current installer and the old ESPconverter) lets you bypass Morrowind's original Copyright-Protection mechanism (requiring the original CD in one's drive while playing). So in essense it can be thought of as a work-around NO-CD crack <--- thats not something that Bethesda would allow.

2) On the official forums the stance is that:

“Using assets from one game in another, even if those games are made by the same company and you own both the games, is not permitted.”

So the whole concept of "Morroblivion" is illegal, no matter how it is achieved.

3) Morroblivion is currently a complete, downloadable package with all Morrowind Assets packed into it, if Bethesda was unhappy about a conversion-utility ... how can we expect then how can we expect them to accept an upload of the entire game.

^^^ There is no going back on this ... first of all much of the Morrowind's content (scripts, quests, dialouge, creatures, animated objects and particle effects) can not be converted by the utility and so have been manually converted and need to be shared as complete files; further the conversion process tends to produce different results for different people (often missing out meshes and textures at random).

You don't get it do you. Google "Fallout new vegas requiem". The first result is for a mod on Tes Nexus that is exactly like Morroblivion except for Fallout 3 and NV.

And he shouldn't have been banned for uploading a mod that requires Morroblivion because there are tons of others on Tes Nexus that haven't been deleted and the uploaders aren't banned. Dante was being an idiot.

Simmer down now fellas.  This is really no big deal.  Hashmi's post above is by far the most informative and realistic analysis of the situation.

DO NOT contact Bethesda.  Currently they most likely think the Morroblivion project is long dead, and I would like to keep it that way.

Legal contracts are what they are.  The goal of Morroblivion is to eventually reach a mod package that does not use any textures or meshes from the original Morrowind, as those are the in-game assets that are legally questionable, and hopefully we'll get there.  Eloth and Hashmi's texture work has been a huge help here.

And in any case, since Morroblivion is a community site that does not charge fees, display advertising, or ask for donations, Bethesda would have little legal ground behind them -- in its current state, Morroblivion quite clearly falls under fair use.  See the Disclaimer for more information.

Hasmi didn't get the point though. There are tons of Morroblivion mods that hadn't been removed so Iceburg shouldn't have been banned and if the fallout NV mod "A requiem for a dream" is allowed then Morroblivion should be too if what Hashmi said was right. The reason why Morroblivion isn't allowed and it's Fallout NV counterpart is, is because Morrowind used assests that Bethesda were allowed to use for Morrowind only so they banned talk on Morrowind on every official site in case they got sued. They asked Tes Nexus to do the same and Tes Nexus did it too.

@Vivec: I was talking about Bethesda and not Nexus. The Nexus didn't ban morroblivion until Bethsoft sent a personal request to the Nexus admin ... and even then they have allowed for mods dependent on Morroblivion (unlike Bethesda which immediately locks any threads on the official forum which even mention the name of morroblivion).

As far as I know (and I might be wrong), but Fallout new vegas requiem isn't accepted on the official forums ... and it might not be long before it receives legal threats and eventually gets taken down from the Nexus on Bethesda's request.

I think its a mistake to think that Bethesda would ever change their stance on us ... it is a very intolerant company when it comes to legal stuff: earlier this year it took down the "Morrowind Graphics and Sound Overhaul" for missing out permission from some modders ... and now they have filed a lawsuit against Minecraft's dev for using the word "scrolls" as a working title for their new game (they say it infringes their trade mark "The Elder Scrolls").

The only chance of us getting acceptance is probably when(if) Morrowind gets released as a free game like Arena and Daggerfall .. or if we manage to replace all art assets with 'made from scratch' material (which could take decades considering the current level of assistance that we get).

Tell us what the reply is. I don't care about my nexus account so I'm willing to take on the moderators to try and get you unbanned.

I've been thinking, would Planet Elder Scrolls allow us to upload Morroblivion? 

To Thermador and Hasmi: Bethesda don't think we're dead. They probably have people watching this website every once in a while. This site isn't hidden, in a google search it's top of the list when you type "Morroblivion". The reason why they haven't tried to remove this site is because as long as the companies they got the assets from know that Morroblivion is completely unofficial then they can't sue Bethesda. They could be sued if this was possible with the CS alone but since we used tons of other tools it isn't Bethesda's fault it was possible for us to make this. The copmany Bethesda borrowed to assests from can't sue Bethesda for a completely unofficial hack(since this used a converter it is more of a hack then a mod)that was only made possible by tons of unofficial modding tools.

So would Planet Elder Scrolls allow us???

Oops double post.

Is anyone willing to contact the PES staff?

 

I've been thinking, would Planet Elder Scrolls allow us to upload Morroblivion? 

To Thermador and Hasmi: Bethesda don't think we're dead. They probably have people watching this website every once in a while. This site isn't hidden, in a google search it's top of the list when you type "Morroblivion". The reason why they haven't tried to remove this site is because as long as the companies they got the assets from know that Morroblivion is completely unofficial then they can't sue Bethesda. They could be sued if this was possible with the CS alone but since we used tons of other tools it isn't Bethesda's fault it was possible for us to make this. The copmany Bethesda borrowed to assests from can't sue Bethesda for a completely unofficial hack(since this used a converter it is more of a hack then a mod)that was only made possible by tons of unofficial modding tools.

 

+1

Exactly my thoughts as well, Vivec. We're not exactly hidden, and as you said, we're number one on Google search. I'm 99% sure that Bethesda knows we're still active, but doesn't do anything since we're "unofficial." So I personally don't see the harm in contacting Bethesda.

We're not pirates here, and that's something I know we all agree on. So I know Bethesda can't get on us for that.

Good idea about Planet Elder Scrolls. I'm interested in what they'll say, even though I'm pretty sure they'll respond the same way as TES Nexus.

Yeah I think they'll be the same as Tes Nexus but they have never been as conected to Bethesda as Tes Nexus are now, even before Tes Nexus came and stole it's thunder. I think we should try contacting the administrator of PES and tell him how we have improved and made Morroblivion much more legal since we were banned. Then maybe, just maybe he will allow us to upload Morroblivion there.

Yeah, Iceberg is right. We shouldn't contact anybody until we have the approval of the project leads.

Nah man, I don't know how to appeal a ban. Vivec, do you think you could look into that, since it looks like you've already done some digging?

I don't know. Maybe you could write a ban appeal here and I'll PM Dante it?

Bump, none of this would have happened if Dante wasn't an idiot... :angry:

I can`t understand why morroblivion is banned,as all who use it have to install Morrowind and Oblivion,surely that is keeping them on the market and making them more money,,,,wierd!.

Or are Beth just pulling thier hair out because they never thought of doing it themselves....childish!

Well there are two reasons : They would get sued because Morrowind used assets that Bethesda borrowed from other companies for Morrowind only and since this mod allows you to use them in Oblivion, Bethesda banned Morroblivion so the companies that they borrowed the assets from wouldn't sue them. And the second is this can actually allow someone who didn't be Morrowind to play Morroblivion. How? Because the only thing that protected Morrowind was you had to have the dvd in your computer but with this you only have to have the Oblivion dvd. So someone could just pirate Morrowind and be able to play Morroblivion without even needing a no dvd crack because Morroblivion doesn't need the Morrowind disc to be in, you only have to have Morrowind installed. You don't even have to download Morrowind from any pirate site, if your friend has Morrowind all you have to do is borrow their disc to install Morrowind, give it back and then you can install Morroblivion and play Morrowind in Oblivion via Morroblivion. Your friend can do this with all his friends so soon everyone in town can play Morroblivion without having to buy Morrowind as long as they own Oblivion.

I understand Vivec,but when you say Beth borrowed some assets,imo they should have purchased those assets instead,that way Beth would have had the right to maybe [if they wished] help modders achieve what imo they should have done themselves,but morroblivion will get finished and at least then some of us will get to play the whole story in one go.

I am playing morrowind [morroblivion] from the start and then intend to just get the amulet of kings and carry on into oblivion.

I sent it to DarkOne.

nexus has been instant banning people alot these days,  often time s people are uninfomre, furthermore they allow anyone to see who was banned or not, instead of just emailing them.

with that said  I have a few thoughts

morroblivion uses vanilla morrowind assets which is a big no no, you cant use cross assets from another game, even if it is the same franchise or from the same company, and as we have learned for a good reasion.

morroblivon is an illegal mod, I am sure bethesda is aware of  this site, but from what I hetrthey follow the  rule of "if you dont ask we wont make a rule about it" , if someone emialed bethesda about morroblivon, then this site could be potentially taken down by legal action....so dont bring up  morroblivion to them.

morroblivion uses several resources from other authors, I dont know whether we have gained permission from said authors, but if not we should start looking into makeing our OWN textures since we could get into allot of trouble, I mean has anyone heard what happend to the morrowind visual pack 2011 author ? yeah not good

The wierd thing imo,is that the nexus site has 44 morroblivion related files,some of which have been downloaded over 1000+ times and there is even a graphics user interface program there that includes or can be used with the converter.

Surely if the nexus mods really wanted to discourage the use of morroblivion there would not be any morro mods on the site.?

Idk.. cant ansewer that one

anyway I personally dont like the nexus aside from the way they will arbitrarly ban people ,although most do deserve it. there is also too much damn   HGEC files and female textures, I mean really mods for nails,bouncing boobx (boobs dont bounce in leather, it would be chaffing), the endless amount of sleazy female only armor, it makes me wonder if some people play the games just to do dress up...

yes this is true  no wonder why slof forbids here mods from being used for such things as hgec (I dont like henti anyways anyways and it certainly is not gentelmanly)