Skyblivion Reborn | Morroblivion

Reconversion project of Oblivion to Skyrim using TES4Edit and TES5Edit

Pros:

- depends on Skyrim.esm, version control should work in CK. No errors in TES5Edit when checking for errors.

- has the same FormIDs as Oblivion, which allows to convert any plugins to Skyrim (if you have a permission from authors)

- lighting

- npcs

- working doors

- map markers

- placed sounds

- "Enable Parent" data in references

- quests (no dialogs atm, see below)

Cons:

- landscape textures are ruined. Oblivion allows 8 alpha layers per texture on landscape, Skyrim only 6. I had no other choice but to remove excess layers because CK was complaining with several MB error logs. Right now landscape is purple/black almost everywhere. Sorry, nothing I can do about it. Skyrim is less advanced than Oblivion in this case. Landscape should be repainted by hand I guess until someone knows solution.

- due to a HUGE size CK can't load it as esp and resave (like I did with Skywind), so this is not a "native" CK file in this sense. I don't know what consequences it might have in future, but currently EditorWarnings.txt only shows original errors from Oblivion.esm not caused by reconversion.

Some screenshots:

http://i.imgur.com/LUG7H7M.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IP51JEv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LFNmv4e.jpg

Some notes:

1) Dialogs are not converted for now because without conditions they'll appear on every npc even in Skyrim. Can be converted later.

2) I removed teleport data from TES4DAPeryiteDoorTEMPREF [REFR:0101ECC6], CK crashes otherwise without any error messages. Took me 8 hours to find that single faulty record out of 1.2 millions.

3) Cell names longer that 33 chars were truncated to calm CK. I've made a list so they can be renamed by hand more accurately in future.

4) In the current state reconversion master is much worse than available Skyblivion from andoran's converter. It is up to you to decide is it worth it. All I can say that after working for several days with all those records and content, I'm 99% sure that Skyblivion WILL NEVER BE FINISHED. It is just impossible. Right now Skyblivion master even without dialogs, AI packages, navmeshes and other stuff is bigger than Skyrim with all of its DLCs combined.

So my opinion is to close this project, and leave only the current one from SupremeEpicness for 4E Oblivion. At least that can be finished before TES6 is out. I'm not giving any links yet, want to hear your thoughts first.

Since I noticed that small

Since I noticed that small bug with Eerana, I wonder: would it help if I fix small bugs if I find them and then supply esp files with the fix? If so, should I upload one plugin per fix or should I put several fixes in one plugin?

I hate navmeshing but I need

I hate navmeshing but I need skyblivion I miss oblivion so so much (I miss morrowind too but I know that will be ready one day) so I am ready to do even the things I dont like at all , so Im working on doing a basic navmech for citys and I will try and do some more , is there a way to do a hole region or somthing?

Yup, at the top, click on the

Yup, at the top, click on the world tab, then regions, select a region, and auto generate navmesh.

It'll look like it crashed, but you should get a new text document in your Skyrim folder, you can keep track of which cells it's on, and when it crashes, you can note which cell it crashed on.

ok thanks right know I going

ok thanks right know I going to try to auto gen the hole thing just to see what happens , Im not expecting anything but I just want to see

if I get anny problemes I report them if there linked to objects like it was in skywind.

and if it works then il move on and do navmeching for interiors and citys , gosh that going to be tiediouse lol

If you want to see if you can

If you want to see if you can save some time with fixing the meshes then you should look at the tools we used for Skywind.

http://morroblivion.com/forums/skyrim/skywind-development/3563

I'm not saying its a clear cut process or will give you all the fixes you need, but at 7000 meshes you need to be smart about your approach.

Sorry I can't help you at the moment, I'm focusing on the Skywind project, but it helps to have a parallel team going with Skyblivion, so will pay to learn what tools are available and getting to know the advantages...and unfortunately problems.

This is a merge of two tools, NifConverter and ChunkMerge. I actually tried to run the converter on Skyblivion, but the problem is that it can't handle certain meshes so will crash. The process because the coders have probably left the project, is that you have to remove the problem meshes and fix them manually. If you want to figure it out I can give you a little bit more info.

@Zilav: Did you program the

@Zilav: Did you program the weather, or are you just using the default image space stuff (not even skyrim uses the default stuff). Here's a comparison:

Before:[External image]

After:[External image]

Johann: All NPCs use the

Johann: All NPCs use the same voicetype. Meaning ALL NPCs in Skywind and Skyblivion will sound like that. :)

happychappy I would be

happychappy I would be intresed in your help if possible it just crashes no matter , there are so many errors non that we cant fix I hope but I am about 60% positive that its object related

The CTDs are virtually ALL

The CTDs are virtually ALL going to be bad meshes CTDs in Skywind have become nonexistent since most of the bad meshes have been fixed. The question is...... which ones are bad?

ok I look at the log , errr

ok I look at the log , errr im new to the bad mesh thing , is it possible that a bad mesh works fine in game? its giving me a long list of bad meshes

Yes you can see them ingame

Yes you can see them ingame usually. They just cause crashes. What's giving you a long list of bad meshes?

EditorWarnings file , well

EditorWarnings file , well its not claiming there bad mesh but if its saying there wrong I just wonder if it could be linked.

sins navmeshing the exteriors seems out of order I will try and see if some of the interiors work .

Hope that we get all the mesh fix one day

I don't think the

I don't think the editorwarnings.txt would be of much help here, but I could be wrong. Why are the exteriors out of order? If it crashes, it just means you have a bad mesh that needs fixing.

Anyone know if you can

Anyone know if you can install the new Skyblivion into your skyrim directory which has the current release of Skywind? Can you use them both at the same time without crashes?

Thanks :)

Skywind's folder structure

Skywind's folder structure isn't the same as it was 5 months ago, it's a lot more organized, so Skywind would never affect Skyrim or any mods.

You're fine. They don't

You're fine. They don't affect each other at all anymore. Many months ago it was a different story, but now things are much better. :)

@SupremeEpicness My

@SupremeEpicness

My conversion is template based, so every record uses some template record from Skyrim.esm when importing values from Oblivion.esm.

For regions it is WeatherFallForest [REGN:000C5857], so all Skyblivion regions now have its weather, imagespaces and sounds.

p.s. Navmeshing now is a bad idea, with so many missing meshes (like furniture), plants having collision, etc. it won't produce any good results.

The main problem is meshes, and in absence of any reliable mesh conversion tools I don't see this project going anywhere. It is mostly for tes4 fans who want to explore Oblivion's places and bath in nostalgia.

I will try to run Skyrim

I will try to run Skyrim under a debugger, hopefully with a CTD, I will be able to trace down the causes.

Oh btw Zilav I do not agree :P you just made this project perfectly possible :P

Shadow wrote:Johann: All

Shadow
Johann: All NPCs use the same voicetype. Meaning ALL NPCs in Skywind and Skyblivion will sound like that. :)

I see what you mean. I should be able to fix it by hand, but it's going to take a while. I'll see what I can do.

EDIT: Is it fine if I upload the fix as an esp?

I agree with ormin , its just

I agree with ormin , its just the start. and we will get there

Okay so this might be a

Okay so this might be a little messy but thats what i found out in the debugger, maybe someone with more knowledge about 3d graphics might understand, since i have no experience in it.

I saw some calls related to ''ttrcMopp", according to google:

"MOPP (Memory Optimized Partial Polytope) is a way of compressing bounding volume data for arbitrary polygon meshes."

There is a big switch with tons of possibilities ( Switch value from 0x0 to 0x70 ) so it seems like a lot of options regarding to this ''ttrcMopp". The thing is that when we got a CTD, sometimes there gets a value 0xA8 , so i'd presume there is something unsupported in skyrim, which was supported in oblivion and we now just have to trace down what it is and remove it

Whew :P that might be hard to understand, but hopefully will get us closer to a solution ^_^

@Edit

Well i've read a bit and it just seems Skyrim cannot handle the MOPP collisions and that might be the cause..

Here is another vid. P.S.

Here is another vid. P.S. Ending was maded just for lulz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7kSRLeZANk

@Golden PhoenixThanks, the

@Golden Phoenix

Thanks, the ending is funny :)

However I can't imagine how do you play with such enb. Perhaps good for screenshots, but playing...

@Ormin

You know, even with your information some meshes are still need reconversion. So we are back again with the same problem - no reliable mesh batch converter. Only manual one using 3DMax/Blender which is not suited for doing 7000 meshes.

@zilav If you can show me

@zilav

If you can show me how, I can write a macro , automatizing the process without a need to write a new batch conversion.

@Johann yes please upload an

@Johann yes please upload an esp, we'll add this to the tracker and merge later.

would that reconversion be

would that reconversion be just mouse clik clik clik stuf ore actually adjusting stuf els i dont see why its impossible time consuming yes but if a few work on it it can be done

if it is mouse clik clik clik stuf i am willing to help adjusting may be a bit harder for me but stil willing to help

@GoldenPhenix "Stop right

@GoldenPhenix "Stop right there criminal scum" at 6:58. he.

However I can't imagine how

However I can't imagine how do you play with such enb. Perhaps good for screenshots, but playing...

@Zilav, Yeah, that letterbox was annoying sometimes, and Faps grab some fps. Usually, I using Enio's ENB, but in this video i used CinemaScope.

@digitalparanoid

Made the plugin replaces the

Made the plugin replaces the texture landscape of the textures of Skyrim. If you like I can put. And replaced the path to the texture of stones and other objects. Will work with any textures Skyrim.

Oblivion with Skyrim's

Oblivion with Skyrim's textures looks like Skyrim :)

looks nice , is that vurts

looks nice , is that vurts summer edition tundra tex?

personaly I will allways use oblivion grass and textures for the ground

Is a mix of many retextures.

Is a mix of many retextures. I did not like the texture of Oblivion. They are very luminous, they are duplicated, they look at each other and take a lot of memory. Skyrim with default textures decreased crashes on my PC. Texture landscape of Oblivion occupy 248 MB of texture and used by me Skyrim 120 MB, and the resolution is 2-4 times more :)

wel thats a boring landscape

wel thats a boring landscape its skyrim

I'd say share it as an esp ,

I'd say share it as an esp , would be great! ( I love it btw :3 )

I don't want it to look like

I don't want it to look like Skyrim. Except possibly in the northern part near the Jerall Mountains.

Yes, stick with Qarl's

Yes, stick with Qarl's textures which look great, or even vanilla. I could see adding some Skyrim snow and such in the Jerall Mountains like Envy said, but other than that, things should pretty much remain vanilla.

With proper tweaked

With proper tweaked imagespaces vanilla textures should look like in Oblivion.

Just a quick question: My

Just a quick question: My map doesn't work correctly. It shows the correct markers, but the background is that of Skyrim. How can I fix this?

Install beautification

Install beautification plugin.

zilav wrote: Install

zilav
Install beautification plugin.

Ok.

Concerning the NPC voices, I'm making them the same voice type, just female (on the Bretons the MaleEvenToned becomes FemaleEvenToned).

katkat74 wrote: Made the

katkat74
Made the plugin replaces the texture landscape of the textures of Skyrim. If you like I can put. And replaced the path to the texture of stones and other objects. Will work with any textures Skyrim.

Hi katkat74, that looks great. Did you upload this anywhere? Personally I'm ok to use as much stuff from Skyrim as possible because it should help with stability and anyways Skyrim landscape is beautiful.

I just finished editing the

I just finished editing the female Breton voices, here's the esp:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3hLvKzF-ubNZ3huT3MzSzNfWHc/edit?usp=sharing

I'll check if other races also need editing, and fix them if necessary.

so yhea it is very early with no navmesh or stuff but its getting there