Morroblivion

Version 003 Released

I came to this site a month ago to experience Morrowind for the first time.

I can hardly believe the progress we have made since then! Thank you to Yoshimo, Eloth, and the Queen of the Ashlands, and thank you to the authors of Vvardenfell Imports.

This version starts to make Morrowind playable. From now on things will only get better...

This version requres a Clean Save or New Game. I cannot stress enough how important this is. Persistant references have been moved, edited, or deleted. This is Very likely to cause CTD's in existing games.

This project is also incompatible with any mod created from a prevous version of Morrowind_ob.esm. Without going into too much confusing detail, when an object, like an NPC, is edited for the first time, a copy of that object is placed into the Mod. From that point forward, any discrepancy between the mod and Master is considered to be an edit made by the mod, regardless of whether or not the Master has changed in between.

NPC's and Dialog are the most vulnerable components since they are the most likely to be changed, and have so many different aspects that can be modified.

Only one mod gets to edit an object in the end. This mod is no excpetion...

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The MorrowOblivion_World Transport.esp Mod is compatible with v002 of our Cleaned Master, but is NOT compatible with v001 or uncleaned Masters from the Default Conversion. It references a Global Variable that was added in v002, and will Crash the game if transport is attemped with an incompatible version.

I was so preoccupied trying to get everything uploaded and the main readme file completed that I forgot to make a readme for this Transport mod. I will make one an reupload tomorrow...

Transport Whacked

The revised version of v003 whacked Silt Strider transport to preserve the rest of the dialog. I will probably have to add this back by hand, but at the moment I am unable to add a dialog topic in the CS. I need to get a damn microphone first...

This will have to wait because I've got to leave for work anyway. I will try to get a microphone today and see if I can coax the transport modules into working properly. Hopefully I can figure out a somewhat efficient way of doing this or updating any Quest information is going to be a nightmare.

All Quests share a common "Greeting" Dialog Topic, which is where a good deal of Quest coding is performed.

Version 003-B Released

Yoshimo added ONE response to the Greeting Topic. This One addition had pretty much whacked the entire Qest Line. I had known that Dialog was finiky to mergeh and had looked at it before Merging, but looks can be deceiving.

I did not recognize what I was seeing, and for that I apologize.

I have added this one response into the main file directly, and have verified that transport is now working again in-game. I could not find any way of merging a modded version of the Greeting Topic. I have, therefore, included an additional resource for anyone interested in creating mods for, or helping with this project.

The "Dialog Template" contains Every Dialog Topic from Morrowind flagged as changed; therefore anything added to this template mod will bring all the other topics with it when merged. This is not an ideal workaround, but is the ONLY thing I can come up with.

In answer to the question about size, thank you for bringing the topic up. I have addressed this directly in the main post of this thread and in the readme. But, yes, the Cleaned Version of Morrowind_ob.esm is about 1/2 the size of the VERY dirty original. The original is so full of errors that it is amazing that it even runs.

Load Order

Oblivion.esm MUST ALWAYS LOAD FIRST
Morrowind_ob.esm MUST ALWAYS LOAD Second

I have set my own load order starting with BOSS then being managed forward with Wrye Bash. This may cause problems with people that have the Oblivion.esm file dated later than my Morrowind_ob.esm.

For those that need help setting Load Order I can offer this:
1. Start with BOSS.
2. BOSS will probably not recognize any Morroblivion mod; these must be set by hand.
3. Use either Wrye Bash or OBMM to set the load order of Morrowind & Morroblivion mods

Morroblivion happens in a different worldspace than Oblivion, so where Morroblivion mods appear in the list really does not matter except possibly with COBL. I use COBL as part of an FCOM installation, so I personally cannot give advice on where it should be if used separately; for that I can just tell you to read the documentation carefully.

You would then only need to worry about the order of Morroblivion mods within themselves as a group, that is, which Morroblivion mod should load before which other Morroblivion mod.

Most of the Morroblivion mods I have looked at conflict with each other and conflict with this Master Project, so I am not going to give any advice on their use other than what I have said in the main post of this topic.

BOSS - Better Oblivion Sorting Software
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516

OBMM - Oblivion Mod Manager
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097

Wrye Bash
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

I am sorry about your problems with the Mage's Guild Quests. I do not see a possible conflict after looking through the quest. I was looking through the Leyawiin Quest, and most of the stage setting is done in the Quest Script. I know that some other mods do some things that they are not supposed to, and this may be the result of it. Can you please test this with ONLY Oblivion.esm and Morrowind_ob.esm active? Just make a separate save for this; you can go back after you've tested. This would help me to determine if the problem really is with Morrowind Rebuilt.

Yes, that is great to hear! Yoshimo put some workarounds in to adress the missing equipment just so we weren't looking at yellow diamonds, but were not true Dwemer items, so these will be much better. Have you verified that my version of your Ghostfence is working properly. It looks fine to me, but then again, so does everything else... :)

Sighfin has just brought something to my attention, and upon closer examination, the Merge of Dialog into Morrowind_ob.esm destroyed all the Greeting, Hello, and Rumors from Oblivion.esm. I believe I have figured out how to get these in. But, it will take me a while. However, I will be able to get an updated version out by the end of the day today or tomorrow. I will also temporarily disable Cliffracers since we now know that they cause CTD's.

There are two main issues I am focusing on at the moment. First, is Caius not accepting the package. When researching this, I see that the problem is much deeper than I had first thought. There are Many Dialog Topics whose Child Dialog Responses did not make it through the merge, not just one or two. These will all need to be reconstructed. That will take me a while. Second, is reported conflicts with Vanilla Oblivion. I believe I know the root of the problem, but am still uncertain of the best way to fix it. I have been working on my first inclination all weekend, and am still going. I do not know whether this will work, but Morroblivion is Uncharted Territory, so there is little to go on. If this does not solve the problem, I do have a Plan B, but don't really like it and will only go to it if I have to. That still does leave Hlaalu Helms and Cliffracers, but these will both be addressed as well. Yoshimo is working on other errors, such as missing references, etc. In the meantime Eloth keeps sending me more absolutely beautiful stuff! I am chomping at the bit to go see it in game! But for now I'm not doing much playtesting...

I have not heard of that one, nor seen it any time I've tested, and I've tested that part a BUNCH of times. Here are some questions. 1. Are you using a Bashed Patch? I keep forgetting to put this in the readme, but a Bashed Patch stores some information from older games. I have seen this. I know that this is true. If using a Bashed Patch, rebuild it. 2. What Morroblivon mods are you using that you would need to rearrange your load order? At this point, especially when this is all so new, we are recommending only Morroblivon_ob.esm followed by MorrowOblivion_World Transport then whatever non-Morroblivion mods you want. 3. If you strip the game down to Just Oblivion.esm and Morrowind_ob.esm, does this still happen?

yep i am sure of it.v003-B and a new game

i am not using a bashed patch.i installed oblivion,then i installed morroblivion and went through the conversion process. then i downloaded and installed the vvardenfell imports mod and then your morroblivion_ob.esm and THEN the vivic race and any other requirements for your mod such as the data files seperate download and the world transport.during the whole series of v003 updates i was at school so your last update is the first one i actually installed. and then i got the diolog template and did not add new diolog i just altered some of the text that was already there but custom text made by this mod.i only took a word or two out or added one to match the voice and lip files i put in.BUT, i also disabled the dialogue template as if i did not have it and it still did the same thing.it crashed. my load order is as follows. -Oblivion.esm -Morrowind_ob.esm -Tribunal_ob.esm -Bloodmoon_ob.esm -DLCShiveringIsles.esp -KT_CustomRaceFix.esp -MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp -Vivic race for Robert's body mod.esp -MorrowOblivion_World Transport.esp -Morrowind_ob -v003-B Dialog Template.esp rememeber i disabled the dialog template and it did the same thing. and i also disabled the KT_CustomRaceFix Also, in the cs editor i get these errors while recompiling all scripts: Script '0AAMWErsatzLevitation', Line 9 Script command "TapKey" not found and Script '0AAMWErsatzLevitationPotionSCRIPT', Line 20 Script command "TapKey" not found and Script '0AAMWLevitatePotion', Line 6 Script command "TapKey" not found and Script 'FBMWChargenGuard', Line 4 //i think this line might be relivent? unknown variable or function 'comeover'

but i DID edit dialog,thats why i used it.i changed certain responses to match up with original Morrowind voices so the lip synch would be accurate. and do you want me to try it without the Shivering Isles and vivic race too? theyre part of your project.. doesnt Morroblivion require Shivering Isles?

ok i just tried it with nothing but oblivion and morrowind_ob and it still crashes..

the guards id name in the editor is 0chargenSboatSguard1 i believe,he's the first guard right after getting on deck.redguard,whearing imperial armor. i was able to get passed him.after completing the quest a went back to the ship to see if it would crash and he did say the dialog it would crash on usually but it didnt crash.i talked to him 2 more times until it crashed.maybe its a dialog problem.

well i will keep lookin too,as i dont wanna play any part of the quest aside from testing purposes.i wanna save that for that feeling of the mod being done with no errors and full accomplished Morroblivion!haha

I have never had this issue, so it is nearly impossible for me to test. There race on this guy is just a vanilla Redguard, so I don't think Rebuilt's races would affect anything here. There are only three possible things I can see. 1. He has no eyes. Would you try adding eyes and see if that fixes the issue? 2. He is wearing Imperial Chainmail 3. He does have a script attached Imperial Chainmail was one of the pieces I had missed converting the first time. They do not render properly for me in the CS; they are mostly invisble, but have been fine in-game so far. If the problem persists after adding eyes, would you try changing his armor. The script simply initiates the "This is where they want you" and then essentially disables itself with a DoOnce. This would be the only other thing I can think of would be to remove this script from the NPC.

OK, it took about 2 minutes to tear out 5 days worth of work. Then it took me 20 seconds to Fix the compatibility problem with Cyrodiil. When this is all over, I may just have to go kill myself... EDIT OK, now that I've had a chance to calm down. The issue was simply a matter of priority. All Morrowind Dialog belongs to one big happy "MorroDefaultQuest." It's priority had been set to 90, so it simply overrode all Oblivion Dialog. The term "fix" was used somewhat liberally when I said "20 second fix" because this will need to be addressed more thorougly later, but at least now I can get on with my life. Maybe I won't have to kill myself after all :)

I wonderful to see this mod is still alive and kicking. I've been a huge fan of morrowind, and I love the work your doing. I used to mod morrowind a lot (Although it was mostly putting two mods together that didn't work together), so hopefully I can start a mod you eventually absorb. Thanks for your efforts!

Awesome! I have little experience other then moving around building making them, dialog, and some other things (I loved Balmora so practically every day I added a new building to that city back in the day), however I am more then happy to learn how. Once you update the master I'll work on NPC packages for Balmora and Vivec, hopefully they aren't train wrecks. By the way, would you be interested in my taking some oft he old "Balmora/Vivec/etc expanded mods and remaking them here? Just curious if you want to keep this as close to the original as possible, or are willing to expand it a bit.

Our basic goal, first and foremost, is to make the game playable. Secondly, to create a stable environment where other moders do what modders do--but without worrying about conflicting with every other mod out there. The stuff you are talking about would be perfect for one of the first Bona-Fida Morroblivion mods!. However, again, be careful that you don't waste your time doing what somebody else has already done. I would recommend checking out the extra AI mod from Cool Shady & Nick V here http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14929 I believe they have already started with Balmora factions, etc. If nobody else picks this up, then eventually I will probably include parts of it in the Master, but you are welcome to it. Or, if you would like to help us directly, please feel free...

Good luck!

bethesda`s developers are lazy and unskilled, delivering half finished products :P

No, this Master did not use the Object Replace. It therefore expects Morrowind meshes and textures to exist in their proper folders. If you ran the ESP Converter with the Object Replacer active, then the files will not be where this Master expects them to be, and will result in Yellow Diamonds all over the place. This Master was created with the Default INI Files included in the ESP_Converter. There are a couple of exceptions, but the missing meshes and textures are included in the Support Files, or the meshes have been redirected to Oblivion or Vvardenfell Imports equivalents. I have already updated the main post of this thread. I keep tinkering with it as I remember things that I had forgotten to include, or as new things are added. Please review the main post of this thread from time to time.

I am going to release v003-C as a Beta on a different thread just so that everybody knows that I have had some issues. I hope they are resolved, but I won't know until some people start to test it. The file is uploading now. It takes a while...

The Main Post of this Thread has been Updated 10/13/2010 I have made some changes to the Post/Readme. Please Review this Thread. Well, it is finally here, v003-D. I am sorry about the B-C-D Nonsense. I just didn't want to start calling anything v004 because there was no new content, just fixing things that I broke in v003. v003-C Added: -- Missing Dialog from Morrowind Rebuilt by the Queen of the Ashlands -- Cliffracer Hotfix supplied by Eloth -- Hlaalu Helms have been fixed -- Morrowind/Oblivion Hotfix for compatibility between Morrowind and Oblivion Quests -- Suppressed annoying "Current Events" chatter by NPC's as if Morrowind was a distant place... v003-D Added: -- Morrowind/Oblivion Hotfix has been updated to a better, more Permanent Fix -- Some Faction Relations have been tweaked (but people still don't really care for each other) -- Minor Landscaping in Balmora -- Main Quest has been Debugged through the first Quest and into the Second I have playtested searching for Caius, Reporting to him, giving him the Package, getting the First Assignment, and then getting the Quest for the Puzzle Box from the contact at the Fighter's Guild. I jumped around on some rooftops to make sure I wasn't randomly attacked, and while the NPC's didn't really like me too much, they did not attack me either. I have not followed the Quest any further than that, so I do not know how far it works Properly, but Yoshimo spent a lot of time in that Dwemer Ruin fixing it up. He made due with what he had to work with for Dwemer Machinery before we got the Missing Meshes from Eloth. Eloth's Missing Dwemer Meshes are NOT included yet, nor has any attempt been made to go back and revisit the changes Yoshimo made in that first Dwemer ruin. If somebody wants to volunteer for that, this would be a good project after v004 is released this weekend. >>> You Must Be At Least 4th Level To Start The Main Quest <<< I have also not Playtested this with a character that is lower than 4th level to see how it behaves. If somebody would like to do that and let me know if it is minding it's manners, that would be great...